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Why I do not attend writing groups…

…are they all like this or just the ones in Maine?



By Wendy C Allen

I was just reading this thread on Reddit, which has nothing to do with writing groups at all, but within the comments, someone mentioned writing groups, talked of not being able to find a group that wasn’t all, what they called “pretenders pretending to be writers and never writing anything at all”, and it got me thinking, yeah, I had the same experience.

https://www.reddit.com/r/writers/s/FuAK1MZZ1R

I stopped going to offline writing groups. Used to attend several different ones, as I was in an area that had 3 or 4 going on any given month. But, it quickly became clear that PUBLISHED writers, were not welcomed at any of them.

Every group, the exact same thing happened. I’d attend for a few weeks/months, and we’d sit around talking about writing, talking about writing goals, talking about character creation, talking about world building…

Notice how we was always TALKING, but never WRITING?

Well that was fine, I’d bring paper and pens in case we ever did write, but we never did, and I could write at home, so I wasn’t bothered by it because I was spending time with other writers.

However, in every group it would eventually happen that someone new would join and their first day, they’d ask:

  • “I’m trying to get published, has any one here published anything yet?”

And in every case there would always be someone quick to say:“OH no, we are ALL amateurs. NO ONE HERE has EVER been published. You don’t really think PUBLISHED authors would be in a writing group do you?”

  • “OH no, we are ALL amateurs. NO ONE HERE has EVER been published. You don’t really think PUBLISHED authors would be in a writing group do you?”

And then I’d say: “I’m published.”

They’d all be shocked and horrified, and a few would always get openly hostile and say “published authors don’t belong in a writing group.”“published authors don’t belong in a writing group.”

Wait, what? Why?

Oh they had reasons too.

One railed how published authors were all smug, another added that they were greedy and money hungry, another said published authors were not REAL writers because they didn’t write for art, 

  • …published authors were not REAL writers because they didn’t write for art

…they all had a lot to say about tortured starving artists and how that was their goal in life…

…wait, really? Your GOAL is to be a STARVING ARTIST?

What?

They went full on bat shit crazy, at first lashing out at the new member for daring to commit the sin of having a goal of publishing, then at me for having committed the full on crime of having already been published.

Good god!

The new writer would ignore them, ask when I published, where, how, what, and my answer is ALWAYS what would send the whole kit caboodle of them into a frenzy because:

  1. Since 1978 I have published 138 novels, 423 novellas, 500+ poems, and 3k+ short stories. Some published by Hatchet, over a dozen published by Disney, some published by Egmont, some published in very big magazines including Cricket, Highlights, and other similar children’s magazines. One of my novels sold over a million copies. In total, all titles combined, I’ve sold over ten million copies.

…and in every case of the group suddenly connected that:

  • “oh yeah, that’s where I heard you’re name before, wait that’s really you? I thought you just had the same name as her. I didn’t realize you were ACTUALLY her!”

… this was ALWAYS followed by weird changes to the group.

Usually from that day forward 90% of the group would no longer attend, and the few who did would say they were going to quit the group citing: “I’m not comfortable around published authors, I just want to hang out with writers.”

  • “I’m not comfortable around published authors, I just want to hang out with writers.”

Group leaders would change the groups to be Skype chat only, and or completely move the location of their group to a different town entirely…one moved the group a full 5 hour drive all the way across the state!

  • It happened every single time.
  • It happened at over a dozen different writing groups, in the space of only two years.
  • In one I was in attendance over 6 months before they found out I was published and same thing happened again.

In every single offline writing group, it became glaringly obvious that “US WRITERS don’t associate with THEM PUBLISHED AUTHORS” but I have no clue why.

  1. “US WRITERS don’t associate with THEM PUBLISHED AUTHORS”
  • Some were small groups only 3 or 4 people.
  • A couple were large groups with 20+ people.
  • One, had over 30 people.

In total it was well over 200 people in a relatively small area of Southern Maine, whom ALL had this weird hive mind that: writers and authors are not the same thing and should NEVER be seen in the same room together.

  • writers and authors are not the same thing and should NEVER be seen in the same room together.

But I have to ask, how do they think authors got published if they did not first write?

The mindset that authors are not writers and writers are never to associate with authors, is just mind boggling to me and I simply do not understand it at all.

It was like, they just wanted to TALK about writing and they didn’t want their writing TALK to be interrupted by anything that might remind them writers eventually have to WRITE something.

It was just so bizarre.

When it happened the first time, I just thought it was that one group.

But it happened over a dozen different times, in groups all across the state in two years, and now I realize it’s some kind of trend, for “writers” to get together and talk about writing, so long as no actual writers who actually write things ever show up.

And… well… that’s what a lot online writing groups remind me of, when I see them talking about how they want to write but they don’t want to read.

I feel like a lot of the ones who say they hate to read, also really don’t want to write either. They just want to talk about writing.

| ©2025 Wendy Christine Allen | All Rights Reserved |

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Since starting my writing career in 1978, I have written 130+ novels, 2,000+ short stories, 6,000+ non-fiction articles (ALL are found on this site), a few dozen stage plays, 12,000+ blog posts, and a few comic book scripts for Disney's Uncle Scrooge and Donald Duck (I only worked for Disney one year (in 2005) and only wrote a few stories for their Danish comic books).

NOTE: I ONLY write the Quaraun series (aka The Twighlight Manor series aka The Adventures of Quaraun the Insane). In recent years there has been an issue with impersonators trying to pass books off as written by me, notably several non-fiction and Erotica books. I write neither nonfiction nor Erotica.

ALL of my books and their cover arts are listed on my website here. Beware of any books you find claiming to be me. If the books are NOT listed here on my website, they are NOT my books.

In fiction works, I specialize in Weird/Bizarro Tales set in 40th century CyberPunk-Quasi Medieval, Cozy Dark Fantasy and Science Fiction worlds featuring an intersex Elf and his Faerie husband main characters.  I DO NOT WRITE ANY OTHER SERIES - THIS SERIES IS THE ONLY ONE I WRITE.

Non-fiction (found ONLY here on my site) is daily updates of events in my life, and how-tos on how I write my novels.

I DO NOT write Erotica.

I DO NOT write books with HUMAN characters.

The Erotica books and books with Human characters, that you are finding, are written by scammers trying to impersonate me.

There is an ongoing FBI investigation into this matter. If you find any such books, please report them to FBI Agent Andy Drewer @207–774–9322

The FBI believes the people behind the impersonation accounts showing up, are relatives of the woman who murdered my son.

146 Portland Ave, Old Orchard Beach, Maine, is NOT FOR SALE.

And I'm sick of real estate agents who are too incompetent to research land ownership before they show up to stick a for sale sign in my yard.

The fact of the matter is, my son was murdered in 2013, and the friends and family of the murderer think it is funny to keep ILLEGALLY listing my land for sale, because apparently their child murdering bitch friend didn't hurt me enough by crippling me with a golf club, ripping my baby out of my 8 month pregnant belly and beating his brains out on the ground with a golf club.

Also, her friends and family like to gaslight me by doxing me on ufo and alien abduction forums, while pretending to be me, and trying to make it look like I believe in ufos or aliens, even though I think people who believe in ufos are raving lunatics and people who claim to be alien abductees are crazy. 

Worse, they've also taken to harassing my WW2 vet homeless friend, by calling HIM an alien, demon, or cryptid and sending alien crazy ufo nutjobs at try to "catch him".

So, yeah, my son was murdered and the murder's friends and family endlessly harass me, my friends, and my family both online and offline, and I'm not happy with it at all.

There is an ongoing FBI investigation into this matter.

The FBI is looking for information into:

  1. identifying my son's murderer, 
  2. identifying the scammers who listed my land for sale, 
  3. identifying the impersonators who pretend to be me both online and offline, 
  4. the harassers who are harassing the homeless man and sending the UFO nuts to harass him... 
  • If ANYONE tells you 146 Portland Ave Old Orchard Beach, Maine is for sale:, please report them to FBI Agent Andy Drewer @207–774–9322
  • If ANYONE tells you I believe in aliens, demons, or UFOS, please report them to FBI Agent Andy Drewer @207–774–9322
  • If ANYONE tells you my homeless friend is an alien, a demon, a cryptid, or named Etiole for sale:, please report them to FBI Agent Andy Drewer @207–774–9322


I'm going to repeat it because I'm tired of people showing up and making offers:

146 Portland Ave, Old Orchard Beach, Maine, is NOT FOR SALE.




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