EelKat Wendy C Allen - Dark Fantasy Author


UPDATE March 17, 2021: Another death. Waiting for a coffin to be delivered. Funeral the 21st. Unlikely to be streaming for a few weeks.


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Update: March 27, 2021: It's not even been a week since the funeral, and now there is another death and another funeral.



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UPDATE April 5, 2021: There are still no streams, as, we've now a another (a 3rd) funeral to prepare for.


And that is now 3 deaths in our family, in the past 2 weeks.


This 3rd death hits hard, because it was Pippi.


Our family has now had 13 deaths since March 2020.








April 10, 2015, 12 children were kidnapped.

May 15, 2015, the heads of 10 of them were nailed to my door.

August 24, 2020, one was found still alive. he was just 4 years old when she was kidnapped, but she remembered us, even though 5 years had passed.

August 25, 2020, Pippi came home, but her condition was not well. She had been tortured the entirety of the 5 years she had been held hostage. She was missing limbs and covered with scars, had broken bones many years not set, and suffered serious damage to many of her internal organs. That she was alive at all, in her condition, was a miracle. Doctors had little hope of her survival and she was sent home with Hospice care.

Pippi had cancer in her eye and needed surgery for it, which she was scheduled to have, shortly before she was kidnapped.

In the years they had her, not only did they torture her, but her cancer went untreated and spread to her brain.

By the time she was returned to us, her cancer had reached an inoperable state, so we knew she did not have much time left.

Had her cancer been treated, back when she was a toddler, she probably would have reach adulthood.

She died only 8 months after her return.

Another child, to cry out from the grave, for Etiole's vengeance upon her murderers. Another victim of evil men, who will stoop to no ends, to bury the crimes they committed 50 years ago.  Drug lords. Opium growers. Heroine dealers. Selling little girls 4 to 8 years old for sex to priests. They only care about money.

All hail the mighty tourist ass. Millions come to Old Orchard Beach every year, for one thing and one thing only: heroine. They sell their drugs to the tourists under the pier and off the balconies of that giant motel. Than drag little girls to the bedrooms of the condominiums on Smithwheel Road, behind the school. And any child who dares open their mouth and beg for help, gets tossed in the GooseFare Brooke Ravine.

Bastard drug lords. They've been doing this for 50 years, and the town hall and the police department, turn a blind eye to it, because they get paid $6million a year to not report it to the newspapers, when the body of another child washes down the ravine, into the gulley to be spit out in the ocean. No fewer than 5 bodies are found every summer, but how often does it get in the news?

The corruption of this fucking town needs to end.

Yet another dead at the hands of these criminals who run our town.

How long will the residents continue to turn a blind eye to what is happening in our town.

How many more children will you let them kill, before you stand up to them?

Another child is dead and no one in this town cares. So long as they get their money from the tourists. The blood of another murdered child screams from the graves, begging for justice. Tick tock, tick tock, so begins, yet another of Etiole's 7 year clocks.

This is why there were no/to few streams from May 2020 until now.

May 2020, after 4 years of not hearing from them at all, the FBI returned with a lead, which led to Pip's discovery a few weeks later in August.

Because of the nature of the situation, I could not talk about it, to tell you why streams had stopped.

The kidnappers, were enraged that we had recovered Pip, and that is when the attacks started up again on my home and family September 2020.

Pip's condition continued to grow worse, and she died April 5, 2021.

She was only 10 years old.

This is what it means, to not be white in America.

White men, won't even give a child the chance to grow up.

This is what white people do, to none white families like mine.

We are Gypsies with Jewish blood, for that alone we are hunted like animals.

What the men of Old Orchard Beach, Maine, did to my family, will never be forgotten or forgiven.




#If you have any information on the kidnappers or the murders...


#FBI Agent Andy Drewer out of the Portland, Maine FBI office is in charge of the of the April 10, 2015 kidnapping of my 12 children by 14 Ku Klux Klan men who invaded our home and the subsequent May 15, 2015 murder of 10 of the 12 whom had their heads nailed to my front door. If you have information about the case, give it to him not me. He can be reached @ +1-(207)-774-9322 


Have you forgot the extent of the damage these people did, all because, they wanted to dig up my land and removed bodies buried there, before my house builders found that barrel of bones?

Have you forgotten that 7 town hall workers, 5 public works men, a blond woman, her bald son, and her red haired sister Kendra, and 14 police officers, all lead by a man they referred to as "Mark who needs no last name" were the ones 

I name every one of them, except for the ring leaders: blond woman, her bald son, her sister Kendra, and her husband "Mark who needs no last name". I don't know who those 4 are. I'd never seen any of them, other than the Kendra woman before, and I only knew her fro her attacks beating me up at Panera in 2009, 2010, and 2013.

I can name every one of the others, because all I have to do is go to the Old Orchard Beach town hall and police department website, and their are their faces.

With the exception of blond woman, her bald son, her sister Kendra, and her husband "Mark who needs no last name", every one else involved was government official who works for the state of Maine vis the Old Orchard Beach Town Hall, the Old Orchard Beach Police Department, or the Old Orchard Beach Public Works.

And what exactly did they do?

August 8, 2013 they drove a backhoe over my house. That same backhoe drove over my previous house on the same land April 2007. That same backhoe drove over my poultry barn and horse stables July 2001. July 2001 was the first attack.

March 2015 was the the massive attack, with an entire fleet of trucks, and drove over the Church of the Holy Rhinstone, a church that stood on my land, my garage which is why I no longer have a garage to put my car in, my 2 sheds both of which had my tractors and other garden/crop machinery in them at the time. And of course the razing of the land, the cutting down of the apple orchard - the VERY apple orchard planted in 1530 that this town was named after... he actual "old orchard" of Old Orchard Beach... the very original trees - huge massive apple trees over 400 years old. The grape vineyards, the cherry trees, the pears trees. 

April 10, 2015, they returned, 4 police officer held me a gun point, while 10 other police officers held my children down with long poles with metal wire strangle loops on the end, and beat their faces in with cinder block bricks, knocking out every one of their teeth, breaking their jaws... POLICE OFFICERS DID THAT... while men they referred to as "Mark who needs no last name" and "Dan" stood there and told the police officers what to do, how to beat them, while "Mark who needs no last name" boldly bragged that he paid the Old Orchard Beach police $6million dollars to do this.

May 15, 2015... the heads, hands, feet, and intestines of my children were nailed to my door. Later that same day police officer W. W. came to my home begging for forgiveness and claimed that men he referred to only as "Mark and Dan" were holding his beloved mother-in-law hostage and torturing her, and he helped in the April 10, 2015 attack, only to save her life and get her back. He claimed he had no prior knowledge of what was going to happen, claiming that he'd been told they were only going to "scare" us. He said he had not expected anyone to get hurt, he had not known my children would be tortured and kidnapped, he had not known they were going to be murdered. He said he was scared for his life and lives of his family. And he said: "They form a small army, our department doesn't have enough man power to stop them, and every one in this town is too scared to fight back. You don't know what's going on. And I think they mixed you up with someone else. They didn't know you were the owner of this land. They didn't know that was your motorhome. They thought someone else owned this place. It wasn't even your family they were after. You were the wrong target. You don't know who these people are. What they've done to our families. This is the actual Mafia. The real deal. I'm so sorry. This is the address they sent us to. But they had a different name as the owner. This wasn't supposed to happen. They were after someone else. I'm so sorry. I couldn't let my family died. And now yours is dead instead. This wasn't supposed to happen."

June 19, 2016... I did a very specific livestream. You see... A., D., B., and T. in the 1970s and 1980s, were in the habit of dragging big black trash bags into the forest, crossing my land to do it, and dumping those bags into the Goosefare Brook Ravine. In 1983, 3 snuck into Etiole's swamp and planted 3 acres of Marijuana. Someone found it and called the police, I don't know who... it was Maine's largest drug raid for decades. Many, many millions in plants where dug up and removed from Etiole's swamp. A few weeks later A, & D,s 10 year old daughter ran into my yard, touched my car on a dare from other children - the 1964 Dodge 330 former Old Orchard Beach police car, known by Stephen King fans as the REAL Christine, The World's Most Haunted Car... than jumped her bike, and sped down the road, as fast as she could, head on into a car coming the other way. She died instantly, he brain shattered all over the end of my driveway, and her mother A responded by the Battle of 458 - the biggest mass shooting ever in Maine history, that ended up with 3 Gypsy clans and 2 police departments, in a shoot out between 70+ adults all armed with guns. One of my cousins, an 8 year old boy, standing 3 feet from me, had his eye shot out by one of the bullets. While A ran around the street screaming: "FOUR! FIVE! EIGHT!" than shot another child. 

"FOUR! FIVE! EIGHT!" than shoot another child. 

"FOUR! FIVE! EIGHT!" than shoot another child. 

THOSE are the 31 children, whose bones were sawed up and tossed into the GooseFare Brook Ravine... yes, that DOES mean, police officers KNEW those children were there and covered it up.  And I witnessed that entire event.

And THAT is WHY... when police officers murdered my family in 2015, I did a livestream, walking to the ravine, to show the world, where those bones were... because I'm sick and tired of the police corruption in this fucking town, and those sawed up bones of 31 children are PROOF of what this town government is like.... as are the heads of my children that were nailed to my door.

At the end of The Battle of 4-5-8... A. took 2 gas cans and poured them all over the big dome house, than set a match to it, and no one knew, why when she did her brother B., started running, jumped in his robin egg blue truck and backed down the driveway, hit Portland Ave doing 70 and didn't stop driving until the high speed chase caught him in CT... oh but we knew before he was out of sight, why he started running... the dome house went up like Hiroshima into a mushroom cloud that could be seen across the entire state... turns out there was a Meth lab in that house.

June 19, 2016... the livestream of the bones went viral, it's what made my YouTube channel suddenly explode overnight... and police officer W.W. upset, by the fact that, the livestream included the entire police call and response, and that response was to laugh and do nothing... fed up with the corruption in his department, he forwarded that livestream VOD to the FBI, and the FBI arrived in Old Orchard Beach, to dig up the Reclaim Blueberry Plains, and all hell broke lose in this town, as most of the police officers suddenly found themselves arrested. An entire new police force from out of state was brought in to replace the long time officers who had proven they could be trusted to uphold the law. Many town hall officials and public works employees also found themselves arrested by the FBI.

June 26, 2016... barely a week later... the blond woman and the red haired Kendra woman showed up at my workplace, Scarborough WalMart, and tried to kill me, yet again... these are the same 2 woman who attacked me with golf clubs at Southern Maine Community College November 14, 2013... they left dead in 2013, I was paralized for 5 months. It took me 18 months to relearn to walk. I was out of the wheel chair, and I was without a walker, I was without a cane. I had almost fully covered from their November 14, 2013 attack with golf clubs... June 26, 2016, this time they attacked with shopping carts, and I'm now crippled for the rest of my life. They shattered 3 vertebra this time and it can't be operated on. I had to relearn to walk a second time, and I'm not yet recovered now in 2021. In 2013 they drove away in the 4 door white pickup truck. In 2016 they drove away in a gold Volvo SUV station wagon.

That blond woman and her red haired Kendra sister, they are wanted by the FBI for attempted murder of me and they are also wanted in questioning for being suspected of also being the murderers of my children.

I don't know who these 2 women are.

The blond woman shows up my driveway frequently, screaming and yelling, sometime accompanied by a small child, about 5 years old, that she pulls behind her in a red radio flyer wagon. She looks to be about 60 or 70. She often wears a denim button down shirt and jeans. She's prone to yelling at passing cars, while pointing up my driveway, and saying: "There's EelKat, she tried to kill my husband."

I've never tried to kill anyone, so accusation is baffling at best.

She seems to think I know who she is, and has made the claim, that "I was that brat in school"... the red haired Kendra woman, sometimes with her, claims to be her sister, also appears to be 60 to 70 and also seems to think I know who she is, and frequently says: "You bullied me in school, but no more, I'm Kendra SilverMander it's my turn to shine."

They BOTH make the claim they went to school with me, and yet, I never went to school, a well documented fact... because I'm the child the FBI rescued what the news media called "Maine's House of Horrors". I was locked in a cage when I was 8 years old. I was let out on Sundays, to go to church, and not allowed to speak or make eye contact with anyone, and this was only done infrequently, whenever church goers asked what happened to that girl you had". I was 31 years old when the FBI arrived, because of Heaven's Gate having killed 39 people, and my uncle being one of the members and self proclaiming himself as the leader of Heaven's Gate after Applewhite's death. The FBI was investigating the murder of 39 people in California, and had no idea they'd find children in cages in Maine as a result.

So you see, when the blond woman and her Kendra sister, make the claim they went to school with me and I was the class bully who beat them up, this is easily proven false, because the time period when I should have been in school, I was locked in a cage, being tortured by my sadistic uncle Bruce.

Also, they are in their late 60s to mid 70s... making them older than my parents, so how could I have been in school with them, even if I had gone to school? At best I would have been starting pre-school the year they would have been graduating high school.

These things they say about school, only further agrees with what police officer W. W. said May 15, 2015, when he made the claim, they had gotten me mixed up with someone else.

July 2016, a month after the shopping cart attack... yet another Old Orchard Beach police officer arrived, this one accompanied by 2 Biddeford officers, who had been former OOB officers... these 3 officers, had a vastly eye opening story to tell me.

They had been called to Old Orchard Beach, to my farm, to arrest me, a call made to them, by a man named Mark, whom one of these officers, claimed was his brother in law. This Biddeford officer, said he requested to transfer ot of Old Orchard Beach department years ago, because his sister (whom he claimed he suspected, but could not prove was the blond woman whom had attacked me at WalMart) was quote "trying to control the town" he said "treats Old Orchard Beach like a dynasty, thinks she's a duchess, has severe mental disorders, and thought she could buy the police department". He went on to say, she got in with the real Mafia years ago and went to her head, and now she thinks she IS the Mafia and most of Old Orchard Beach's business owners, especially the motel owners are scared shitless of her, because they believe her claim to be Mafia. He went on to say, she's not Mafia, but she's good at convincing people she is and stated "I wouldn't murder beyond her. She'd do it just to prove she is Mafia." He said he transferred out of OOB department to Biddeford department because he was fed up with how easy it was for her to get every officer to do anything she asked. He said "the corruption in that department runs deep; don't cross her or any officer she controls; they WILL kill you and every around you. You don't know who her husband is. He doesn't just control that town, he controls half the state."

What he was telling me was bizarre on extremes, but even more bizarre was the live feed radio call, that he had me listen too, as it was happening, on my farm in Old Orchard, while I was at my dad's house in Biddeford.

He said: "The Old Orchard Department called me, asked me to come over here. Buddy Will wanted to prove you were not in Old Orchard and that Mark has you mixed up with someone else. That fucking bastard is crying wolf and trying to frame you, we can prove it right now. We are fucking fed up WolfBoy."

He turned on his radio, so I could hear. A what I heard... a man whose voice I do not recognize, yelling at a Officer W.W. and saying: 

"That is Wendy, arrest her now! That is EelKat. She tried to kill me."

While officer W.W. and another officer, told the man: "his isn't Wendy. We have officers with her right now. Who tried to kill you? Wendy? Or THIS woman right here?"

"This woman right here! This is EelKat I tell you! Arrest her! What do you think I pay you for! You aren't allow to defy me! I own this town! You are my slaves. I command you to arrest her!"

W.W.: "This isn't EelKat. This isn't Wendy. I've known her for years. And right now, she's on the other side of the state. With 3 officers, listening to you right now. You are NOT the law. We've had it with you. You don't own me. And you've mixed her up with someone else. You've been harassing the wrong damned person. You dare call us about Wendy ever again, and I will personally arrest you for false reports, than I'll tell them everything. You'll never see the outside a prison for the rest of your life when I get done with you. You fucking leave this woman alone. You destroyed her life, because you couldn't tell her apart from someone else."

I used to aqua jog, mountain climb, horseback riding, and I hiked 13 miles a day. And in the blink of an eye, that lifestyle was taken away, and every day was struggle, just to sit up and breath, with no hope of ever walking again. I defied doctors. It's been 8 years and I can move around the house by holding on to things and I now can walk again, at the moment only short distances outside with a cane, and the hope is to continue to improve. I still have a long road of recovery ahead. But I'm walking again, something that 8 years ago, doctors said would never happen. 

My farm was razed.

My family was murdered.

I was 5 months paralysed, and had to relearn to walk. It was 8 years ago and I'm not yet fully recovered due to 3 inoperable vertebrae and hip dysplasia. November 14, 2013, 10PM, at WalMart, while putting bags of groceries in the back seat of my car, I was attacked by 3 rapists armed with metal golf clubs, who left me parallelized, in a wheel chair, broken spine, broken hip, broken pelvis, broken knees, serve nerve damage to my left side limiting the use of my left hand, my bladder incontinent from nerve damage, they left me for dead, and I had doctors telling me I would never walk again.

There's more that has happened. A lot more. The thousands of gallons of sewage they pumped into my motorhome in 2015. The cats. the Ptarmagin cats. World famous groups of cats. You remember them. If so, you remember what these people did to those cats. Poisoned. All dead the same day. 12 cats. Dead to what the vet described as: "enough poison to kill a great dane". My horse, she had her head beat in with a rock. My bantam roosters... 70 pet roosters, hung by their necks in rope nooses in my rose bushes.

All because this man, this mystery Mark, whose last name seems to be known to the police but is still unknown to me and man whom I've never seen or met - he keeps his face covered whenever he shows up... mistook me for someone else... and police officers and town hall workers and public work employees.

Welcome to Old Orchard Beach... this is NOT the way life should be, you know it.

What these people did to me, should never have happened, and according to the police, it's been happening for 50+ years to hundreds of people, hundreds of families, in this town, and every one is too scare to talk about it or fight back to stop it. That NEEDS to change.

The corruption in our town, needs to stop... but it won't end, until every last person who is being harassed by these people stand up, put their foot down, and say enough is enough, we ain't gonna take this any more.

We the people of Old Orchard Beach need to take back our town.


NOTE: Chat is set to emote only on my Twitch channel and my personal contact information has been removed from my website and every place else, due to the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of false reports of "information", along with vile hateful memes about the murder of my family being sent to me by trolls who think mocking the murder of my family is funny.

FBI Agent Andy Drewer out of the Portland, Maine FBI office is in charge of the of the April 10, 2015 kidnapping of my 12 children by 14 Ku Klux Klan men who invaded our home and the subsequent May 15, 2015 murder of 10 of the 12 whom had their heads nailed to my front door. If you have information about the case, give it to him not me. He can be reached @ +1-(207)-774-9322 



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Rejected by Agents?
Could Be You Don't Know Your Genre
On Writing Dark Fantasy




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Can I just rant about rejection for a moment? Feeling discouraged and want to give up.


Can I just rant about rejection for a moment? Feeling discouraged and want to give up. from writing

>>I've been writing for over ten years, I've written five novels, have a Creative Writing degree, and now work freelance making a stable income as a copy editor. Getting glowing rejections from agents on my latest book, but no bites. Don't know what I'm doing wrong. I feel like quitting. Also, I live in a country that doesn't have hundreds of literary agents like the US (more like 50-60). I've started querying overseas though.

Random question, but why are you not trying to get your first 5 novels published?

Focusing only on 1 book, when you've got 5 more on the back burner seems a bit unproductive to me. You should be querying all of your books (different query for each book, not all 5 books in 1 query.)

Most writers struggle to get one book at a time out on the market, and here you are with five more sitting around collecting dust? Get all of your novels out there doing the rounds. You never know which one it'll be that agents snap up. Could be the one you least expect.

Don't quit.

Never quit.

Finding an agent is never an easy road.

>>My fourth book was the first one I felt was decent enough to approach agents with (I'd been writing for ten years at that point, and learning how to submit), but I didn't expect much, obviously, especially because it was fantasy. I got 45 rejections, and none of them were personal. All form. I'd pretty much exhausted all the agents in my country with an interest in my genre.

Can I point out a line here...

  • I didn't expect much, obviously, especially because it was fantasy. 

A few things.

One the attitude.

Why are you so passive aggressive AGAINST the Fantasy genre?

That was my first thought when I read this line... 

This sentance stood out because it clearly tells me you have an additutde against Fantasy.

Yet you are writing Fantasy?

Wait... you are writing a genre, that you clearly have bitter venom of hatred for? Why?

Why do I see this line as you not liking Fantasy?

Let's dissect what you said..

  • I didn't expect much, 
  • obviously, 
  • especially because it was fantasy. 

Can you see it yet?

  • I didn't expect much, 

Why not?

  • obviously, 

Wait... why is it obvious?

  • especially because it was fantasy. 

Meaning?

  • I didn't expect much, 

Why did you not expect much? I thought you said your book was good. Why are you not bubbling over, giddy with excitement. You should be bouncing around like a golden retriever puppy, doing the yippy skippy of: "Oh boy I wrote a book! Isn't it wonderful? Yay!"

And instead you are: "Oh, ho hum. So what. I wrote a book. Big fucking deal. I don't expect much to come of it."

Well, with THAT attitude about it, nothing will ever come of your book, no.

  • obviously, 

Wait... why is it obvious?

Is your book that shitty a peice of crap? If so, why bother sending it out at all? You KNOW it's obviously not good enough to be published... so why did you bother sending it out?

Think about it.

You OBVIOUSLY, don't think your book is worth publishing, other wise you would not have pointed out that it was OBVIOUS.

  • especially because it was fantasy. 

Meaning what exactly?

  • I didn't expect much,  obviously, especially because it was fantasy. 

It's so obvious that you think Fantasy is a crappy genre that is obviously not worth publishing, especially, because, you know, it's just Fantasy and all, not like it was anything important or nothing, so obviously I can't expect much of a stupid, dumb, junk genre like Fantasy.

If it is so obvious to you that a genre like Fantasy is not worth publishing, then why did you bother forcing yourself to degrade yourself by writing a genre that is so especially obviously not worth expecting much from?

YOU are a writer. Someone who makes a career out of choosing their words cxarefully to convey meaning.

Perhaps you should spend some time, dissecting the meaning of the words you use while referencing Fantasy? It rather illuminating really, the amount of bitter words and sarcastic belittling you use every time you say the word Fantasy in a sentance.

I'm wondering why someone who does this, has choosen to write Fantasy?

Please tell me you didn't have this same chip on your shoulder, attitude in your query letters as well, because if you did, that would explain the trouble you are having.

Even if an agent loves your book and thinks they can sell it, she's gonna reject an author who acts unprofessional.

Acting like a professional businessperson when dealing with other professional business people, will sell you far more books, then the best polished manuscript well.

Agents are pretty good at reading a person's personality, just by reading a few lines in a cover letter. They can tell your level of maturity, your level of snark and bitchiness, and whether or not you have the right personality o work with them, just from reading the 4 or 5 sentences you write in the cover letter. They don't have to read your manuscript to know whether or not they want to work with a person like you.

Your post here is coming off as very immature, snarky, and unprofessional. Maybe it's just your frustration showing through your words, but, you definitely are pitching a very emo "I hate everything therefore I must be a writer, because only emos write books" type of vibe... and in my experience that kind of a personality is always going to result in agents rejecting you no matter how good the book is.

So, first bit of advice I have for you is: try getting a positive attitude about the genre you write. No agent wants to work with an author who is not excited about their own genre.

An agent who works in the Fantasy genre is bubbling over with excitement, for the Fantasy genre. No one loves Fantasy more then she does. And nothing will offend her quicker then the author who writes Fantasy while saying:

"Obviously, this isn't worth publishing, because it's only Fantasy, but I wrote it anyways, so here it is."

Think about it.

Your attitude matters. It matters A LOT.

>>Anyway, I got 2 requests for the full manuscript as well. One of them was a friend referral, and this agent was very enthusiastic; she also reps a lot of big names, so I was floored. She read it, gave me some amazing comments, and asked me to revise and resubmit (!!), promising to take another look at the book when I was done. I spent 3 months revising based on her feedback and sent it back, as promised. It's been a year now. She never replied, even to polite nudges. I was crushed. The second agent who asked for the full has also never replied. I queried some more agents, but ultimately was too crushed to continue.

What do you call polite nudges?

At minimum don't "nudge" sooner then 3 months, thought 6 months is prefered, and NEVER more then 3 times TOTAL, and never less then 3 months between each "nudge".

Remember what I said about being professional? It applies here too.

A pushy, bossy, whiny, needy, or nagging author, is going to get rejected no matter what the agent thinks of the book.

Remember ANY book can be sold with the right salesman pushing it, but if the author is a bitch to work with, no agent in their right mind is going to bother with the book.

A shitty book by a sweet, pleasant, joy to work with author is going to get published much faster then the perfectly written gem by the bitchy, smug, kiss my ass or fuck off type author.

Perhaps you are "nudging" too much. Perhaps you are coming off as the whinny, needy, difficult personality to work with type.

If that's the case, then there is no polite way for the agent to tell you: "I love your book, but your personality sucks, I think I could sell your book, but I just don't think I could stand working with you for another minute let alone the next 5 years."

Thus, no replies.

Of course...

It's not unheard of for an agent to lose your draft, find it 2 years later and contact you with: "So sorry, I lost your draft and just found it. I'm still interested in it, has it been picked up by anyone else yet?"

It's also possible she's had a medical emergency, family issues, a divorce, a death in the family, a sick elderly parent... these things happen to everyone, even agents, and job gets pushed aside in panic situations like this. Who knows... you may hear from her a year from now, still interested, along with a note about: "That shitty husband of mine ran off with some bimbo and disrupted my life, but I'm back and I'm still interested in your book."

Also, agents and editors frequently change publishing houses. If one editor or agent from that publisher was interested, perhaps a different one from that same publisher or agency will be too. Go ahead and send your query to other agents and editors in that same agency or publisher. Who knows... maybe she left the job and tossed all her work on the desk of a different agent, and maybe your draft is already sitting on their desk, but they having gotten to looking at it yet? You contacting them, could result in they pull your draft out of the stack to look at next.

The point is there are lots of reasons why they have not replied, and most of them probably have nothing to do with your book at all.

>>During this process, I also went to a writing conference. I pitched an editor and an agent. The editor gave me some advice, and shortly after my pitching session, I was getting a glass of water, and he was standing nearby talking to another editor. I heard them bad-mouthing my book right next to me. It was dark fantasy, and I'd been matched to editors based on the genre (the idea of the conference was to match people with agents/editors with similar interests). They were criticising my book for how dark it was, shaking their heads as they did so (neither of them had read it, they'd only listened to my very nervous pitch). That editor did offer a free critique of my synopsis during the pitch session, though, so although I went home almost in tears, I thought I'd take up his offer and send my synopsis. He never replied.

Uhm...

Okay...

Wait...

Didn't you say back there you were writing Fantasy?

Wait... confusion time... 

Yes, a genre can be BOTH Fantasy and dark Fantasy, but that's pretty unusual and rarely done, and if you have done it, there are no publishers publishing it, and you'll have to self publish. No way around it - Dark Fantasy with magic, dragons, wizards, and Elves is a genre that exists ONLY in the self publishing industry.

The Quaraun series I write, is Dark High Fantasy.

High Fantasy with Dark Fantasy, in Yaoi. When sold in mainstream book publishers, booksellers shelve Quaraun with Dark Fantasy, along side Stephen King and Edgar Allan Poe, because of the bloody, gory, grisly, gut churning, vomit inducing, graphic horror scenes that permeate the books.

So, what exactly are you writing here?

Fantasy?

Dark Fantasy?

Both in one?

Do you even know what genre you wrote?

If you've got a Fantasy/Dark Fantasy cross over, then you are just torturing yourself looking for an agent. No publisher publishes that. It has to be self published.

But... they read it and said it was "dark"... do they mean as in disturbing? Psychological terror type of dark? If so, you have written Dark Fantasy, a type of Horror and are pitching your book to the wrong agents.

Do you read Fantasy?

Do you read Dark Fantasy?

Do you know there IS a reason everyone always says to write what you know and read what you write?

That saying means to read the genre you write, so you will know the genre in order to write it.

If you are well read in your genre, you wouldn't be making simple mistakes like confusing Horror with Fantasy.

>>I figured fantasy was just a hard sell so I moved on. I wrote the "book of my heart" about an issue that really matters to me. This is kind of where I'm at now. I'm getting glowing, personal rejections. One said they loved it but had something too similar on their list (it's about mental illness). 

An issue that really matters to you.

Mental illness.

I think I'm starting to get a clearer picture here of what the problem is.

You recall a ways back there when I said you seemed to have a very "emo attitude" and I questioned why you were belittling Fantasy when supposedly it was the genre you were writing?

And then later I questioned your use of Fantasy vs Dark Fantasy?

And NOW.... now you are suggesting that the book is about mental illness?

I'm starting to feel, more and more that your novel is NOT Fantasy on any level at all, and is full blown Dark Fantasy, which perhaps may be even darker and not even be Dark Fantasy at all.

It sounds like, based on your small bits of info here, that you have written something akin to Psychological Terror.

Your saying that it is a topic dear to your hear, an important issue in your life... that actually tells me your story may not even be Dark Fantasy, because Dark Fantasy, typically is a story about non-Human characters, in bloody magi filled situations. Typically Dark Fantasy features Vampire main characters, and a lot of blood, guts, an gore flying around in between the Necromancer's with their magic wands resurrecting zombies.

The top selling Dark Fantasy novel out there right now is Twilight and biggest seller in the graphic novel segment of Dark Fantasy is The Walking Dead.

Lord of the Rings remains the top seller in Fantasy.

Does you novel have more in common with Lord of the Rings or The Walking Dead? That there will give you a pretty good idea of which genre your book is.

But...

If it's dealing with real issues and is close to your heart and mental illness is the theme... are you sure it's not just straight up Mainstream Drama? 

I think you need to access your book.

Ask yourself these questions:

  1. What race is your main character?
  • If Elf, Dwarf, Faerie, or Hobbit your book is likely Fantasy.
  • If Vampire, Werewolf, Alien, Zombie, or Monster it is likely Dark Fantasy.
  • If Human it is likely Psychological Terror or Mainstream Fiction/Drama
  1. What career does your main character have?
  • If wizard, warrior, bard, mage, knight, or similar, your book is probably Fantasy.
  • If slayer, demon hunter, paranormal cop, psychic investigator, zombie killer, superhero, super villain, or mad scientist, your book is probably Dark Fantasy.
  • If student, teacher, secretary, desk clerk, mailman, police officer, or other real world job, your book is probably Mainstream Drama.
  • If college student of spring break, life guard, rich blond virgin, mental health patient, doctor, psychiatrist, or babysitter, your book is probably Psychological Terror
  1. Where does your main character live?
  • If a tower, a tavern, an inn, a manor house, a village, a hamlet, a travelling caravan, etc, it's probably Fantasy.
  • If a castle, a haunted house, a post apocalypse shelter, a group of roaming survivors, etc. it's probably Dark Fantasy.
  • If a city, town, suburbs, college dorm, with parents, apartment building, near the mall, or similar every day place, it's likely Mainstream Drama.
  • If a cabin in the woods, a lonely beach house, a mansion on the hill, a mental institute, or with the people she baby sits for, it's likely Psychological Terror.
  1. Does your main character have super powers?
  • If yes, your story is Fantasy or Dark Fantasy
  • If no, your story is likely Mainstream Drama or Psychological Terror.
  1. What is your character doing through out most of the story?
  • Going on a quest with wizards to battle Orcs and Dragons, in between joyiously singing in taverns? The book is Fantasy.
  • Fighting Vampires and or Zombies or the big bad super evil he who can not be named villain, and trying to survive the end of the world? The book is Dark Fantasy.
  • Trying to escape the evil nurse at the mental health institute and prove she's not crazy and not get caught by the ax murdering man she babysits for? The book is Psychological Terror.
  • Sitting on her bed crying while trying to decide between boys, chocolate, shoes, or suicide? The book is Mainstream Drama.

>>Another said she loved the book and my character but passed anyway. One agent said she could "understand how much interest I'm getting", but passed (this was also a referral from a friend of mine who recently got an agent after working in publishing for a year).

These types of responses tell me that you have written a good book that will likely sell well, but that you are pitching it to the wrong agents, as in, agents who DO NOT handle the genre you wrote, and no matter how much they like it, they simply can not accept it because the publishers they work with do not publish that genre.

I'm coming more and more to the conclusion that you are pitching a book that is NOT Fantasy to agents who handle ONLY Fantasy.

Somehow you are so clueless as to what genre your book is, that you are sending it to agents who don't deal with it.

>>Recently, I've been talking to an agent who keeps telling me she loves my book so far and to inform her of any other interest. Well, I've had a few more requests for the book from other agencies/competitions, so I'm keeping her updated. A while back, she said she'd reply by X date. She never did.

This tells me that, again, people like your book and WANT to sell it to publishers, but again, they do not normally work with this genre so are finding it difficult to accept it, but feel confidant enough it'll sell that they may be willing to risk a genre they don't normally pitch if you can't find an agent in a more appropriate genre.

Keep these agents on your list... but still look for a better match. 

These types of responses are not rejections, but rather, they are telling you "This is good, get it in front of the right people and it'll sell, I'm just not the right person, but I'll help you if you can't find someone else."

She is suggesting to you that this book is a diamond in the rough and you really need to get it in the right hands of the right agent, but she's not the right agent.

This is a really good responce.

Yes, disappointing, but still... this tells you you are on to something and you really need to not give up. Don't quit. Keep going. You are getting closer and closer to finding your perfect match.

>>I don't know what I'm doing wrong.

I'm reading your post and something stood out to me, quite glaringly, that might possibly be part of the trouble you are having...

Throughout your post you mention Fantasy. Fantasy this, Fantasy that... and so, I assume you are writing Fantasy - you know, wizards, dragons, Elves, swords, sorcery, magic, unicorns, fairies, magic wands, kings, knights, princesses,... Medieval times, Dark Ages, Middle Ages... you know actual Fantasy, as in the Fantasy genre.

Then you get to this part where you say:

  • It was dark fantasy, and I'd been matched to editors based on the genre (the idea of the conference was to match people with agents/editors with similar interests). They were criticising my book for how dark it was, shaking their heads as they did so

Well, now I am confused, because you spent the first half of the post telling us you write Fantasy, and it's a Fantasy novel, then BOOM you pull a switcheroo and now you are telling us it's Horror. Which is is? Fantasy or Horror? They are very dramatically different genres. If you are pitching a Horror novel to Fantasy agents, no wonder they think it's dark and are not replying back.

You do know that Horror agents are the ones you send Dark Fantasy queries to, right? Never send Dark Fantasy to a Fantasy agents. Fantasy agents work with Fantasy novels not Horror novels and they'll just toss a Horror script unread, with no reply.

Okay my question is this:

What the hell genre are you actually writing and do you even know the difference between Fantasy and Dark Fantasy?

What the hell genre are you actually writing and do you even know the difference between Fantasy and Dark Fantasy?

Number one mistake made by writers when submitting queries is the fact that they have no clue what genre their novel is and send it to editors, publishers, and agents who not not work with their genre.

Dark Fantasy is a sub-genre of the Horror genre, and is NOT a sub-genre of the Fantasy genre.

Dark Fantasy is primarily a genre about vampires and zombies, sometimes werewolves and mad scientists, monsters galore, themes include death, depression, and suicide, superheroes, Necromancers and super villains abound, usually (but not always) in a fairly modern setting 1800s to current era.

Are you sending your queries to Fantasy agents or Horror agents?

Fantasy:

  • Dragons of Pern
  • Sword of Shanara
  • Mist of Avalon
  • Lord of the Rings
  • Conan the Barbarian
  • DiscWorld
  • 10th Kingdom
  • The Princess Bride
  • The Never Ending Story
  • Prince Valentine
  • Beauty & the Beast
  • Cinderella
  • Robin Hood: Men in Tights
  • The Witcher

Dark Fantasy:

  • Underworld
  • 28 Days of Night
  • The Walking Dead
  • Buffy the Vampire Slayer
  • Angel
  • BatMan
  • Wonder Woman
  • Justice League
  • The Island of Dr Monroe
  • Dracula
  • Twilight
  • Frankenstein
  • Dr. Jekyll & Mr Hyde
  • Ravenloft
  • Curse of Strahd
  • Harry Potter
  • Labyrinth
  • The Dark Crystal
  • The Fall of the House of Usher

I just find your post so very confusing because you don't seem to have a clear grasp on the definition of genres, so I can't tell have you written Fantasy or Dark Fantasy? You are using both interchangeably like you think they are the same types of books, and they are not. They are not even close to being the same types of books at all, and the agents dealing with Fantasy, do not deal with Dark Fantasy.

If you went to that conference and said: "My book is Fantasy" and they matched you to Fantasy agents, but then they find out your book was NOT Fantasy at all, but instead was Dark Fantasy, a type of Horror, well, it was no wonder they were saying the stuff they did.

Think of it from their perspective: They show up hoping to help some budding Fantasy author and get stuck with a Horror author instead. Why shouldn't they pissed? You would be too. I mean, really put yourself in their shoe. Here they are hoping to help a Fantasy author, and get some amature who doesn't know one genre defanition from the other, and has handed them something NOT Fantasy and called it Fantasy anyways... do you have any idea how frustrating and disappointing it is for them, to have to deal with THOUSANDS of writers who can't be bothered to do enough research to even find out the definition of a genre before calling their novel by said genre?

I mean, I know it's frustrating and disappointing for us authors, and it's easy to get on the "agents don't know shit and are all evil" bandwagon, but, if you put yourself in the agents shoes for a bit, try to see it from the agent's point of view, you'd really start to wonder why anyone bothers being an agent at all. It's a tough job sifting through a thousand manuscripts that are NOT your genre, trying to find the 1 or 2 writers who actually know what genre the agent is looking for. I'd never want to be an agent. That's for sure! I don't know how they do it.

I'm just so confused by your post here, because you are so all over the place in describing what genre your novel is and really sounds like you've got no clue what your genre is at all, which to me indicates you are likely sending your novel out to the wrong agents.

You keep describing agents who say they love your book, but pass anyways.

Okay, you got to realize, most agents are working for a publisher.

Let me repeat that... the agent works FOR THE PUBLISHER... not the author.

The agents is the publisher's talent scout. They know what the publisher wants. And it doesn't matter how much the agent is in love with your books, because if the publishers they work with don't publish your genre, then the agent loving your book, don't mean squat.

The fact that so many agents both love and reject your book, tells me a few things:

  • 1: You've written a good book that people enjoy reading
  • 2: you are pitching it to agents who don't publish your genre
  • 3: You need to sit down and reassess what genre your book is, and get it in front of the agents who DO work with that genre

It really sounds to me, based on your description here, that you have written a Horror book, but because the genre is called Dark Fantasy, you mistakenly assumed it was a type of Fantasy and are sending it to Fantasy agents, when instead you should be sending it to Horror agents.

My advice, is I think you really need to do some heavy duty research into genres and subgenres and figure out what in the heck genre you have written, because you keep calling it Fantasy, keep saying you are sending it to Fantasy agents, and then suddenly in a burst of frustration you blurted out this:

  • >>It was dark fantasy, and I'd been matched to editors based on the genre (the idea of the conference was to match people with agents/editors with similar interests). They were criticising my book for how dark it was, shaking their heads as they did so

Which tells me that it is NOT Fantasy at all, and you are simply sending it to completely the wrong agents entirely. They can love your book all they want, but if you are pitching Dark Fantasy to Fantasy agents, they simply do not publish Horror and Dark Fantasy is a subgenre of Horror not Fantasy.

Get yourself a copy of The Writer's Market, and look ONLY for agents of your ACTUAL genre your novel actually is, and send it to them no matter where on the planet they live. It doesn't matter where you live or where the agent lives.

Heck... if you are dealing with Dark Fantasy/Horror like it sounds, you might want to try looking into Japanese agents and publishers because Dark Fantasy Horror is HUGE in Japan. It's not a big genre in most places (I know - I write it) but in Japan it's just got a massive following. (80% of my sales are to Japan.) I think Japan hold most of the market for Dark Fantasy right now, so, you might want to consider getting your book published in Japan first then US and the rest of the world later.

It sounds to me like people like your book, which is a good thing. But it sounds like you are a bit confused as to what genre it is and so are just sending it out to the wrong people.

I'm thinking, if you rethink your genre and start sending out to Horror agents who publish Dark Fantasy, instead of Fantasy agents who don't publish Horror, I think, you'll find better success in the queries.

Half the job of querying is just figuring out which agents are the right ones for your book. Just because the ones you sent it to already, rejected it doesn't mean it's a bad book or that you're a bad writer, it just means it wasn't the right book for those agents in particular and you just have to keep sniffing out new agents until you do find the one that is just the perfect match.

Think about it this way: you really don't want your book represented by an agent who isn't 100% behind it. If they think they can not sell it, even though they like it, well, then they simply will not put enough effort into selling it to the publisher. And you don't want that. You want an agent who feels they can sell you book, and will be out their putting all their effort into doing so.

Remember to... not all publishers require agents.

Agents take a 30% on average. And the average income you can expect from most books is $5,000 TOTAL for the life of the book. After the agent cut, that means you'll likely only earn $3,500 from your book.

The bulk of books get published WITHOUT an agent.

The bulk of big names, including Stephen King, J.K.Rowlings, GRRMartin, published their books WITHOUT an agent, and ONLY got agents after they started getting offers from movie deals, with their agents handling the movie deals NOT the book deals.

Sure an agent can help, but you don't NEED an agent to get published, and any one who tells you, that you do, doesn't know the publishing industry.

There are tens of thousands of publishers on the planet and fewer then 50 that require agented submissions. That's really something to think about.

It's possibly in your best interest, to research publishers for your book, and by pass the middleman, going without an agent entirely.

Another possibility is self-publishing. You keep 70% royalties as opposed to the 4% industry standard of trade published. Your book is in print forever, as opposed to going out of print just 6 months after publishing, as is industry standard in trade print. You control the cover art, as opposed to having no say in trade publishing. And either way - self published or trade publishing, you are the one who has to market your own book (no, trade published books don't get the marketing advantage - that's an urban myth - the author markets the book no matter how big or small the publisher is. The only time a publisher markets a book, is if the author was able to market it enough on their own to get the first 1 million sales.)

There are really no advantages to trade publishing these days. Only thing it does is boost the author's ego. With the exception of the dozen or so big names in trade publishing, self-pubbers are making way more income, have a much longer shelf life, and don't have to deal with the stress of years of rejections between each book. Might be worth looking into.

Whatever you do, don't give up. It sounds like people enjoy reading your book and you just need to find the right person to represent it.

>>I have friends with industry connections/who live near the publishing hub who have found more success than me

Where you live has nothing to do with it.

>>I'm starting to feel like it's because I'm a nobody. I go to conferences, I make connections, and then look what happens—I get my work dragged through the dirt behind my back.

If you can't handle 2 editors saying your book is too dark and think that's being bad mouthed... honey, you don't want to get published.

Google me. See what you find.

There's a NaNoWriMo ML running around forums all over the internet saying she wants to blow my brains out, threatening to kill me... she DID build a bomb and blew up my house with it.

Hey, let me give you a list ...

  • February 2003 bombed my doctor's office and killed him
  • May 2006 they put my dad in a coma
  • bombed my house in October 2006
  • May 2010 cut my car in half
  • beheaded my cousin July 2013
  • drove a backhoe over my next house August 2013
  • September 2013 - put a bomb in my classroom at Southern Main Community College
  • beat my up leaving me paralyzed 5 month and crippled rest of my life in November 2013
  • filled my motorhome with 1,000s of gallons of feces April 2015
  • kidnapped my cats April 2015
  • returned my cats' heads May 2015; 10 cats currently unaccounted for
  • August 2015 a woman was beheaded in front of her 4 children, in Saco Shaw's supermarket, in the ice cream department, while trying to buy her children ice cream
  • November 2015 - put a bomb in my department at Scarborough WalMart
  • June 2016 - put another bomb in my department at Scarborough WalMart (it was WalMart who contacted the FBI and started the FBI investigation July 2016)
  • 2016 my tires were slashed on 7 different occasions between October and December
  • April 2017 put my dad in the hospital again, he almost died
  • May 2017 attacked and rallied at my mom's house - twice
  • August 13, 2017 - my birthday - murdered 73 pets
  • September 26, 2017 - smashed up my car...
  • in all more than 200 such attacks on my family since Stephen King thought to film the Thinner movie on our farm in 1994.

Yes... I've survived FIVE (5) bombings now.

You don't see me bitching and boo hooing about agents now do you?

We know why she did these things. She told me... in 21,000 emails.

Do you know why she does these things? Because she had brilliant idea for a book, and then discovered another author had written the same idea 10 years previous to her thinking of the idea. She claims, I'm a time traveling vampire who went forward in time, sucked the idea out of her head, then went back in time to publish it.

In case you hadn't noticed, Kendra Silvermander is insane. 

The publishing industry is filled with psychopaths just like her... and once you get published they'll come crawling out of the woodwork. If you ain't got a thick shell, you'll never survive in this business.

If you are this upset about something so petty and insignificant.. I worry about you... you have the potential to be the next Kendra Silvermander. Shhe flies off the handle and gets upset over nothing too.

Don't become like Kendra Silvermander.

Kendra Silvermander, has yet to be published... she says so several dozen times in each of her 21,000 emails to me.

And like you, she's pissed that no one wants to publish her book.

And like you, she takes to ranting on forums because of it.

A more productive use of her and your time would be to be self examining your work to see WHY it's being rejected, instead of spending pointless time ranting on forums.

Learn a lesson from Kendra Silvermander and get off the "bitch about agents, editor, and published authors" bandwagon, before you too, like Kendra Silvermander, end up wanted by the FBI for becoming a domestic terrorist.

>>I'm starting to feel rather depressed, which isn't good, because I recently came off anti-depressants because my mood was improving. I feel like no matter how much I learn, after 10+ years of writing, it still isn't enough, because I don't know the right people, or live in the right place, or have the right face. I'm not writing what's trendy or to the market. I'm not what's "in" right now. And it's so hard to listen to people praising my work, even industry professionals, only to have them turn me down anyway. It's almost worse than people telling me I have no talent at all.


>>Thanks for listening to me rant. Please share stories and encouragement, or maybe even a really big glass of gin. I just feel like no matter how close I get to this dream, it's always going to be a no.








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