EelKat Wendy C Allen - Dark Fantasy Author


UPDATE March 17, 2021: Another death. Waiting for a coffin to be delivered. Funeral the 21st. Unlikely to be streaming for a few weeks.


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Update: March 27, 2021: It's not even been a week since the funeral, and now there is another death and another funeral.



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UPDATE April 5, 2021: There are still no streams, as, we've now a another (a 3rd) funeral to prepare for.


And that is now 3 deaths in our family, in the past 2 weeks.


This 3rd death hits hard, because it was Pippi.


Our family has now had 13 deaths since March 2020.








April 10, 2015, 12 children were kidnapped.

May 15, 2015, the heads of 10 of them were nailed to my door.

August 24, 2020, one was found still alive. he was just 4 years old when she was kidnapped, but she remembered us, even though 5 years had passed.

August 25, 2020, Pippi came home, but her condition was not well. She had been tortured the entirety of the 5 years she had been held hostage. She was missing limbs and covered with scars, had broken bones many years not set, and suffered serious damage to many of her internal organs. That she was alive at all, in her condition, was a miracle. Doctors had little hope of her survival and she was sent home with Hospice care.

Pippi had cancer in her eye and needed surgery for it, which she was scheduled to have, shortly before she was kidnapped.

In the years they had her, not only did they torture her, but her cancer went untreated and spread to her brain.

By the time she was returned to us, her cancer had reached an inoperable state, so we knew she did not have much time left.

Had her cancer been treated, back when she was a toddler, she probably would have reach adulthood.

She died only 8 months after her return.

Another child, to cry out from the grave, for Etiole's vengeance upon her murderers. Another victim of evil men, who will stoop to no ends, to bury the crimes they committed 50 years ago.  Drug lords. Opium growers. Heroine dealers. Selling little girls 4 to 8 years old for sex to priests. They only care about money.

All hail the mighty tourist ass. Millions come to Old Orchard Beach every year, for one thing and one thing only: heroine. They sell their drugs to the tourists under the pier and off the balconies of that giant motel. Than drag little girls to the bedrooms of the condominiums on Smithwheel Road, behind the school. And any child who dares open their mouth and beg for help, gets tossed in the GooseFare Brooke Ravine.

Bastard drug lords. They've been doing this for 50 years, and the town hall and the police department, turn a blind eye to it, because they get paid $6million a year to not report it to the newspapers, when the body of another child washes down the ravine, into the gulley to be spit out in the ocean. No fewer than 5 bodies are found every summer, but how often does it get in the news?

The corruption of this fucking town needs to end.

Yet another dead at the hands of these criminals who run our town.

How long will the residents continue to turn a blind eye to what is happening in our town.

How many more children will you let them kill, before you stand up to them?

Another child is dead and no one in this town cares. So long as they get their money from the tourists. The blood of another murdered child screams from the graves, begging for justice. Tick tock, tick tock, so begins, yet another of Etiole's 7 year clocks.

This is why there were no/to few streams from May 2020 until now.

May 2020, after 4 years of not hearing from them at all, the FBI returned with a lead, which led to Pip's discovery a few weeks later in August.

Because of the nature of the situation, I could not talk about it, to tell you why streams had stopped.

The kidnappers, were enraged that we had recovered Pip, and that is when the attacks started up again on my home and family September 2020.

Pip's condition continued to grow worse, and she died April 5, 2021.

She was only 10 years old.

This is what it means, to not be white in America.

White men, won't even give a child the chance to grow up.

This is what white people do, to none white families like mine.

We are Gypsies with Jewish blood, for that alone we are hunted like animals.

What the men of Old Orchard Beach, Maine, did to my family, will never be forgotten or forgiven.




#If you have any information on the kidnappers or the murders...


#FBI Agent Andy Drewer out of the Portland, Maine FBI office is in charge of the of the April 10, 2015 kidnapping of my 12 children by 14 Ku Klux Klan men who invaded our home and the subsequent May 15, 2015 murder of 10 of the 12 whom had their heads nailed to my front door. If you have information about the case, give it to him not me. He can be reached @ +1-(207)-774-9322 


Have you forgot the extent of the damage these people did, all because, they wanted to dig up my land and removed bodies buried there, before my house builders found that barrel of bones?

Have you forgotten that 7 town hall workers, 5 public works men, a blond woman, her bald son, and her red haired sister Kendra, and 14 police officers, all lead by a man they referred to as "Mark who needs no last name" were the ones 

I name every one of them, except for the ring leaders: blond woman, her bald son, her sister Kendra, and her husband "Mark who needs no last name". I don't know who those 4 are. I'd never seen any of them, other than the Kendra woman before, and I only knew her fro her attacks beating me up at Panera in 2009, 2010, and 2013.

I can name every one of the others, because all I have to do is go to the Old Orchard Beach town hall and police department website, and their are their faces.

With the exception of blond woman, her bald son, her sister Kendra, and her husband "Mark who needs no last name", every one else involved was government official who works for the state of Maine vis the Old Orchard Beach Town Hall, the Old Orchard Beach Police Department, or the Old Orchard Beach Public Works.

And what exactly did they do?

August 8, 2013 they drove a backhoe over my house. That same backhoe drove over my previous house on the same land April 2007. That same backhoe drove over my poultry barn and horse stables July 2001. July 2001 was the first attack.

March 2015 was the the massive attack, with an entire fleet of trucks, and drove over the Church of the Holy Rhinstone, a church that stood on my land, my garage which is why I no longer have a garage to put my car in, my 2 sheds both of which had my tractors and other garden/crop machinery in them at the time. And of course the razing of the land, the cutting down of the apple orchard - the VERY apple orchard planted in 1530 that this town was named after... he actual "old orchard" of Old Orchard Beach... the very original trees - huge massive apple trees over 400 years old. The grape vineyards, the cherry trees, the pears trees. 

April 10, 2015, they returned, 4 police officer held me a gun point, while 10 other police officers held my children down with long poles with metal wire strangle loops on the end, and beat their faces in with cinder block bricks, knocking out every one of their teeth, breaking their jaws... POLICE OFFICERS DID THAT... while men they referred to as "Mark who needs no last name" and "Dan" stood there and told the police officers what to do, how to beat them, while "Mark who needs no last name" boldly bragged that he paid the Old Orchard Beach police $6million dollars to do this.

May 15, 2015... the heads, hands, feet, and intestines of my children were nailed to my door. Later that same day police officer W. W. came to my home begging for forgiveness and claimed that men he referred to only as "Mark and Dan" were holding his beloved mother-in-law hostage and torturing her, and he helped in the April 10, 2015 attack, only to save her life and get her back. He claimed he had no prior knowledge of what was going to happen, claiming that he'd been told they were only going to "scare" us. He said he had not expected anyone to get hurt, he had not known my children would be tortured and kidnapped, he had not known they were going to be murdered. He said he was scared for his life and lives of his family. And he said: "They form a small army, our department doesn't have enough man power to stop them, and every one in this town is too scared to fight back. You don't know what's going on. And I think they mixed you up with someone else. They didn't know you were the owner of this land. They didn't know that was your motorhome. They thought someone else owned this place. It wasn't even your family they were after. You were the wrong target. You don't know who these people are. What they've done to our families. This is the actual Mafia. The real deal. I'm so sorry. This is the address they sent us to. But they had a different name as the owner. This wasn't supposed to happen. They were after someone else. I'm so sorry. I couldn't let my family died. And now yours is dead instead. This wasn't supposed to happen."

June 19, 2016... I did a very specific livestream. You see... A., D., B., and T. in the 1970s and 1980s, were in the habit of dragging big black trash bags into the forest, crossing my land to do it, and dumping those bags into the Goosefare Brook Ravine. In 1983, 3 snuck into Etiole's swamp and planted 3 acres of Marijuana. Someone found it and called the police, I don't know who... it was Maine's largest drug raid for decades. Many, many millions in plants where dug up and removed from Etiole's swamp. A few weeks later A, & D,s 10 year old daughter ran into my yard, touched my car on a dare from other children - the 1964 Dodge 330 former Old Orchard Beach police car, known by Stephen King fans as the REAL Christine, The World's Most Haunted Car... than jumped her bike, and sped down the road, as fast as she could, head on into a car coming the other way. She died instantly, he brain shattered all over the end of my driveway, and her mother A responded by the Battle of 458 - the biggest mass shooting ever in Maine history, that ended up with 3 Gypsy clans and 2 police departments, in a shoot out between 70+ adults all armed with guns. One of my cousins, an 8 year old boy, standing 3 feet from me, had his eye shot out by one of the bullets. While A ran around the street screaming: "FOUR! FIVE! EIGHT!" than shot another child. 

"FOUR! FIVE! EIGHT!" than shoot another child. 

"FOUR! FIVE! EIGHT!" than shoot another child. 

THOSE are the 31 children, whose bones were sawed up and tossed into the GooseFare Brook Ravine... yes, that DOES mean, police officers KNEW those children were there and covered it up.  And I witnessed that entire event.

And THAT is WHY... when police officers murdered my family in 2015, I did a livestream, walking to the ravine, to show the world, where those bones were... because I'm sick and tired of the police corruption in this fucking town, and those sawed up bones of 31 children are PROOF of what this town government is like.... as are the heads of my children that were nailed to my door.

At the end of The Battle of 4-5-8... A. took 2 gas cans and poured them all over the big dome house, than set a match to it, and no one knew, why when she did her brother B., started running, jumped in his robin egg blue truck and backed down the driveway, hit Portland Ave doing 70 and didn't stop driving until the high speed chase caught him in CT... oh but we knew before he was out of sight, why he started running... the dome house went up like Hiroshima into a mushroom cloud that could be seen across the entire state... turns out there was a Meth lab in that house.

June 19, 2016... the livestream of the bones went viral, it's what made my YouTube channel suddenly explode overnight... and police officer W.W. upset, by the fact that, the livestream included the entire police call and response, and that response was to laugh and do nothing... fed up with the corruption in his department, he forwarded that livestream VOD to the FBI, and the FBI arrived in Old Orchard Beach, to dig up the Reclaim Blueberry Plains, and all hell broke lose in this town, as most of the police officers suddenly found themselves arrested. An entire new police force from out of state was brought in to replace the long time officers who had proven they could be trusted to uphold the law. Many town hall officials and public works employees also found themselves arrested by the FBI.

June 26, 2016... barely a week later... the blond woman and the red haired Kendra woman showed up at my workplace, Scarborough WalMart, and tried to kill me, yet again... these are the same 2 woman who attacked me with golf clubs at Southern Maine Community College November 14, 2013... they left dead in 2013, I was paralized for 5 months. It took me 18 months to relearn to walk. I was out of the wheel chair, and I was without a walker, I was without a cane. I had almost fully covered from their November 14, 2013 attack with golf clubs... June 26, 2016, this time they attacked with shopping carts, and I'm now crippled for the rest of my life. They shattered 3 vertebra this time and it can't be operated on. I had to relearn to walk a second time, and I'm not yet recovered now in 2021. In 2013 they drove away in the 4 door white pickup truck. In 2016 they drove away in a gold Volvo SUV station wagon.

That blond woman and her red haired Kendra sister, they are wanted by the FBI for attempted murder of me and they are also wanted in questioning for being suspected of also being the murderers of my children.

I don't know who these 2 women are.

The blond woman shows up my driveway frequently, screaming and yelling, sometime accompanied by a small child, about 5 years old, that she pulls behind her in a red radio flyer wagon. She looks to be about 60 or 70. She often wears a denim button down shirt and jeans. She's prone to yelling at passing cars, while pointing up my driveway, and saying: "There's EelKat, she tried to kill my husband."

I've never tried to kill anyone, so accusation is baffling at best.

She seems to think I know who she is, and has made the claim, that "I was that brat in school"... the red haired Kendra woman, sometimes with her, claims to be her sister, also appears to be 60 to 70 and also seems to think I know who she is, and frequently says: "You bullied me in school, but no more, I'm Kendra SilverMander it's my turn to shine."

They BOTH make the claim they went to school with me, and yet, I never went to school, a well documented fact... because I'm the child the FBI rescued what the news media called "Maine's House of Horrors". I was locked in a cage when I was 8 years old. I was let out on Sundays, to go to church, and not allowed to speak or make eye contact with anyone, and this was only done infrequently, whenever church goers asked what happened to that girl you had". I was 31 years old when the FBI arrived, because of Heaven's Gate having killed 39 people, and my uncle being one of the members and self proclaiming himself as the leader of Heaven's Gate after Applewhite's death. The FBI was investigating the murder of 39 people in California, and had no idea they'd find children in cages in Maine as a result.

So you see, when the blond woman and her Kendra sister, make the claim they went to school with me and I was the class bully who beat them up, this is easily proven false, because the time period when I should have been in school, I was locked in a cage, being tortured by my sadistic uncle Bruce.

Also, they are in their late 60s to mid 70s... making them older than my parents, so how could I have been in school with them, even if I had gone to school? At best I would have been starting pre-school the year they would have been graduating high school.

These things they say about school, only further agrees with what police officer W. W. said May 15, 2015, when he made the claim, they had gotten me mixed up with someone else.

July 2016, a month after the shopping cart attack... yet another Old Orchard Beach police officer arrived, this one accompanied by 2 Biddeford officers, who had been former OOB officers... these 3 officers, had a vastly eye opening story to tell me.

They had been called to Old Orchard Beach, to my farm, to arrest me, a call made to them, by a man named Mark, whom one of these officers, claimed was his brother in law. This Biddeford officer, said he requested to transfer ot of Old Orchard Beach department years ago, because his sister (whom he claimed he suspected, but could not prove was the blond woman whom had attacked me at WalMart) was quote "trying to control the town" he said "treats Old Orchard Beach like a dynasty, thinks she's a duchess, has severe mental disorders, and thought she could buy the police department". He went on to say, she got in with the real Mafia years ago and went to her head, and now she thinks she IS the Mafia and most of Old Orchard Beach's business owners, especially the motel owners are scared shitless of her, because they believe her claim to be Mafia. He went on to say, she's not Mafia, but she's good at convincing people she is and stated "I wouldn't murder beyond her. She'd do it just to prove she is Mafia." He said he transferred out of OOB department to Biddeford department because he was fed up with how easy it was for her to get every officer to do anything she asked. He said "the corruption in that department runs deep; don't cross her or any officer she controls; they WILL kill you and every around you. You don't know who her husband is. He doesn't just control that town, he controls half the state."

What he was telling me was bizarre on extremes, but even more bizarre was the live feed radio call, that he had me listen too, as it was happening, on my farm in Old Orchard, while I was at my dad's house in Biddeford.

He said: "The Old Orchard Department called me, asked me to come over here. Buddy Will wanted to prove you were not in Old Orchard and that Mark has you mixed up with someone else. That fucking bastard is crying wolf and trying to frame you, we can prove it right now. We are fucking fed up WolfBoy."

He turned on his radio, so I could hear. A what I heard... a man whose voice I do not recognize, yelling at a Officer W.W. and saying: 

"That is Wendy, arrest her now! That is EelKat. She tried to kill me."

While officer W.W. and another officer, told the man: "his isn't Wendy. We have officers with her right now. Who tried to kill you? Wendy? Or THIS woman right here?"

"This woman right here! This is EelKat I tell you! Arrest her! What do you think I pay you for! You aren't allow to defy me! I own this town! You are my slaves. I command you to arrest her!"

W.W.: "This isn't EelKat. This isn't Wendy. I've known her for years. And right now, she's on the other side of the state. With 3 officers, listening to you right now. You are NOT the law. We've had it with you. You don't own me. And you've mixed her up with someone else. You've been harassing the wrong damned person. You dare call us about Wendy ever again, and I will personally arrest you for false reports, than I'll tell them everything. You'll never see the outside a prison for the rest of your life when I get done with you. You fucking leave this woman alone. You destroyed her life, because you couldn't tell her apart from someone else."

I used to aqua jog, mountain climb, horseback riding, and I hiked 13 miles a day. And in the blink of an eye, that lifestyle was taken away, and every day was struggle, just to sit up and breath, with no hope of ever walking again. I defied doctors. It's been 8 years and I can move around the house by holding on to things and I now can walk again, at the moment only short distances outside with a cane, and the hope is to continue to improve. I still have a long road of recovery ahead. But I'm walking again, something that 8 years ago, doctors said would never happen. 

My farm was razed.

My family was murdered.

I was 5 months paralysed, and had to relearn to walk. It was 8 years ago and I'm not yet fully recovered due to 3 inoperable vertebrae and hip dysplasia. November 14, 2013, 10PM, at WalMart, while putting bags of groceries in the back seat of my car, I was attacked by 3 rapists armed with metal golf clubs, who left me parallelized, in a wheel chair, broken spine, broken hip, broken pelvis, broken knees, serve nerve damage to my left side limiting the use of my left hand, my bladder incontinent from nerve damage, they left me for dead, and I had doctors telling me I would never walk again.

There's more that has happened. A lot more. The thousands of gallons of sewage they pumped into my motorhome in 2015. The cats. the Ptarmagin cats. World famous groups of cats. You remember them. If so, you remember what these people did to those cats. Poisoned. All dead the same day. 12 cats. Dead to what the vet described as: "enough poison to kill a great dane". My horse, she had her head beat in with a rock. My bantam roosters... 70 pet roosters, hung by their necks in rope nooses in my rose bushes.

All because this man, this mystery Mark, whose last name seems to be known to the police but is still unknown to me and man whom I've never seen or met - he keeps his face covered whenever he shows up... mistook me for someone else... and police officers and town hall workers and public work employees.

Welcome to Old Orchard Beach... this is NOT the way life should be, you know it.

What these people did to me, should never have happened, and according to the police, it's been happening for 50+ years to hundreds of people, hundreds of families, in this town, and every one is too scare to talk about it or fight back to stop it. That NEEDS to change.

The corruption in our town, needs to stop... but it won't end, until every last person who is being harassed by these people stand up, put their foot down, and say enough is enough, we ain't gonna take this any more.

We the people of Old Orchard Beach need to take back our town.


NOTE: Chat is set to emote only on my Twitch channel and my personal contact information has been removed from my website and every place else, due to the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of false reports of "information", along with vile hateful memes about the murder of my family being sent to me by trolls who think mocking the murder of my family is funny.

FBI Agent Andy Drewer out of the Portland, Maine FBI office is in charge of the of the April 10, 2015 kidnapping of my 12 children by 14 Ku Klux Klan men who invaded our home and the subsequent May 15, 2015 murder of 10 of the 12 whom had their heads nailed to my front door. If you have information about the case, give it to him not me. He can be reached @ +1-(207)-774-9322 



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Self-Publishers Beware: Places To Avoid

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If you've read a lot of my articles and advice column answers over the years, than you've probably noticed there are a few web sites which I tell self-published authors to steer clear of completely or to use with caution, however I never really went into much detail on why I say this, which has resulted in the following question frequently being asked:

"Why do you tell self-publishers to avoid the absolutewrite.com forums? I've heard it is the best forum for writers, why would you tell writers to stay away from it?"

Along with it's "sister" question:

"Why do you tell self-publishers to avoid the GoodReads discussions? I've heard it is the best place to promote my book, why would you tell me to stay away from it?"

AbsoluteWrite and GoodReads are both great places for writers, I never said they were not. Both places are vast sources of information, however, there is a serious issue on both sites with SELF-PUBLISHED authors being violently assaulted by other members and more disturbingly: by the moderators themselves who often instigate these horrendous personal attacks. Do note that the word "self-published" is key here. If you are not a self-published author, than you will be treated as an equal by other members. It is ONLY self-published authors who have ever run into the trouble described on this page.

Place To Avoid #1: The Water Cooler

Let's have a look at each site individually, starting with mega-giant super forum Absolute Write's Water Cooler. Absolute Write's Water Cooler is a place you seriously want to avoid if you are a self-published author. Over the years THOUSANDS of self-published authors have fled Absolute Write's Water Cooler in tears and terror. Not a few isolated instances, not dozens, not hundreds, but literal thousands of self-published authors have been subjected to the most horrendous flame attacks and trolling assaults I have ever seen on ANY forum anywhere, any topic. (Keeping in mind that I am an actively posting member on more than 300 forums, including the super-mega-giant ProBoards Support with it's more than 3 million active members.)

Many years ago, back when I was a highly active member on the forums (cir 2004 - 2009), AbsoluteWrite was a small site with a couple hundred members. The environment was warm and chummy, with folks bouncing ideas off each other and sharing stories of "here's how I did it". It was a tiny site run and managed by one author and moderated by a few friends. It was quaint and peaceful and the trolls were kept at bay and no member needed to fear their posts would come under attack.

The site got bigger and bigger and around 2007ish new owners took over the place, moderators (who bragged of being "SuperModerators swinging chainsaws") were now complete strangers unknown to the owners, people who simply volunteered for the job of "eating trolls" as they so jokingly put it. That's when the trouble first started, see the moderators were all traditionally published or as they so arrogantly put it "trade published" authors, boasting top-quality agents, and bragging of high sales from huge mega giant publishers, which seemed a good idea at first, but soon all hell broke lose on the forums as any member claiming to be self-published fell under heavy fire from these mods who were claiming that no self respecting author would ever stoop to what they termed as "the shady scam artist tactics" of self-publishing or working without an agent.

(Check the new member guidelines, where they boldly proclaim they will ban any member who dares call them "traditional published" and the rant about how they are "trade" not "traditional" and only idiots and stupid self-publishers would think to call them "traditional" published authors.)

Soon every self-published, small press published, or unagented author found themselves blacklisted, issued warnings, or banned from the forums for no reason other than "you don't deserve to call yourself a REAL author, you're just a self-published scumbag" (the actual words moderators wrote in the emails to these members.

The whole thing was swept under the rug by the owners, who claimed it was a misunderstanding on the part of the mods, pointing out that the site featured an entire section devoted to self-publishing.

(Yes, yes, it does. And the threads there are frequently attacked by "trade published" authors bragging they are better than people on this section of the forum. And I will point out that this forum is MASSIVE, with 70 sections all aimed at "trade" authors, and the self-pubbing section is tacked on to the very bottom of the forum added as an after thought, to bring the self pubbers back to the forum after first banning them. I will also point out that the self-pubbers are kept corralled in this one section and if they venture out into the rest of the forum they are immediately chased back into their tiny corral at the bottom of the page, by massive waves of attacking trade authors.)

Self published authors got their accounts back but few dared returned. Once bitten twice shy.

The environment grew more hostile as each year passed, with the super egos of "professional" authors, posting endless hate filled rants on every thread started by  "self-published trash". If the poster being attacked hit the report button, the mods would land on the thread and lash out with even more hate, snidely chiding the "self-published idiot" who was "too dumb to write a book worthy of REAL publication".

Starting a thread asking the question "Should I consider self-publishing?" would result in mods lashing out hell fire and damnation, telling the poor question asker that they had been "brainwashed" and was being "force fed KoolAid" (a reference to JonesTown Mass Murder Suicide, insinuating that self publishers deserved to be murdered since they were too dumb to get published).

Name calling was nasty, and all was done in total disregard for the ToS which clearly stated that flame attacks, personal attacks, hate speech, and trolling would all result in banned accounts. Mods blaintenly flaunted the fact that rules didn't apply to them, than stated that they didn't apply to anyone who was "a REAL author" either.

In short the moderators of the Absolute Write Water Cooler would seem to be nothing more than elitist spoiled brats who get away with doing and saying whatever they want to any member they want, and make an alarming daily habit of lashing out horrendous personal (often religious and racial as well) attacks at self-published authors.

Side Note: If you write Christian, Inspirational, Spiritual, Mormon, or Pagan fiction or non-fiction, than DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES even attempt to mention this fact on Absolute Write's Water Cooler. The moderators flaunt the fact that they are self proclaimed "Christian hating Atheists" and have a serious  hatred for anything perceived as religious.

Where are the owners while this is going on? Who knows. In spite of hundreds of thousands of active members, and dozens of spit-fire mods, the site appears to have been abandoned  by the owners who stopped answering member pleas for someone to enforce the site's ToS and do something to get the insanely out of control mods under control. Basically the site has been left to the whims of psychotically hate filled mods, who many have questioned are they even the real mods at all or is this a team of hackers who simply highjacked and took over the site?

My advice? If you are a self publisher: read the site; search the forums for answers, read what other folks have said, but avoid asking any questions, avoid posting answers to questions, and don't even bother joining or creating an account. Heck, you won't have to read very many threads before you start to see just how nasty the anti-self-publisher environment is over there.



UPDATE: Added on September 19, 2013

In recent years, the overall environment of Absolute Write's Water Cooler has become generally more hostile to everybody. They are still extra hostile to self-publishers, but no longer is it only self-publishers under attack.

In the past year the overall posts across the board have become very elitist and holier-than-thou. New members are being attacked for nothing more than creating an account (which is seen by long time members, and especially the fire tonged moderators) as an outright invasion of private property. New members are being belittled, bullied, treated like shit, and chased off the message boards mere hours after creating their accounts.

A new thread started just this week had been written by a new member who had three super "evil" marks against her (according to mods and members).

#1 She had self-published a book.

#2 She had joined the forum to ask advice.

#3 She said she had given up on and fired an agent.

Within seconds of posting her thread asking for advice on what to do now that she had gotten rid of an agent that had steered her the wrong direction, she was attacked by 5 members and 2 mods. One of the first posts (written by a mod) lashed out at her calling her "anti-agent" and accusing her of being "more self published trash out to lure authors away from agents and legitimate publishers" and ending with a rant of "I'm telling".

Minutes later the mod ran to other boards on the forum posting multiple new threads announcing the arrival of a new member and crying out to "come to arms against this agent hating bitch".

Within an hour the thread by the new member was under heavy fire with several members simply posting and telling her "go home you anti-agent piece of trash, you don't belong here with us REAL authors". Each member was posting blind hatred, raving and ranting, and it was very clear that not a one of them read a word of her post at all.

The posts decrying her as anti-agent  railed on for several hours, working themselves into a hate frenzy worthy of the Ku-Klux-Klan. And than suddenly another member came on and asked "But did you actually read her post? I can't find anything anti-agents in her question at all. What are you people talking about?"

Instantly the response back was "the bitch deleted it to deceive you and make you think we were crazy" and "yeah, more of those scam tactics used by self-publishers to deceive you."

FACT: I was watching this thread since the beginning. I saw what it said before anyone answered it. (I subscribe to Absolute Write's Water Cooler's RSS feed so that I can read the posts without having to head to their site.) I know for a fact that the original poster never said anything anti-agent at all. I know that she was basically in tears asking for help after having been scammed by someone who had pretended to be an agent when they were not.

FACT: Her original post was very long and would have taken at least 10 minutes to read.

FACT: The first poster was a mod who responded seconds after the post went up, and had clearly only read the title of the thread (which stated "Fired my agent, now what?"and not the post itself which told the full story.

FACT: The poster fell under attack, her thread receiving 30 hate filled posts in under 4 minutes after posting it, proving that not a single responder read her post at all, as it would have taken at least 10 minutes to read it.

FACT:

When some  one who was not a member of the galloping hate pose pointed out that what they were saying about the original post was simply untrue, they lashed out at that person accusing him of lying, than further attacked the original poster accusing her of having edited the post. Some accused her of changing the post and than using this second account to make them look stupid. They were next attacking both posters accusing them of being the same person with two accounts.



Place To Join Instead: NaNoWriMo

Other questions I have received on this topic include:

"You're right. Absolute Write's Water Cooler is a nightmare. I joined thinking they wouldn't do that to me. Boy was I ever wrong. Those people are crazy! They attacked me just like they attacked those other people. What can I do? I want to post on a writer's forum but I don't want to be in a war zone like that. Are there any friendly forums that are safe for me to join?"

Yes there is. National Novel Writing Month's NaNoWriMo Forum is extremely warm and friendly, and very welcoming to new members and self-publishers alike. (Btw, don't mention NaNoWriMo on Absolute Write's Water Cooler, they'll attack you for saying it's name and than lash out a belly full of why NaNoWriMo is the evilest place under the sun because it "promotes shitty writers and advocates writing crap" according to the Absolute Write's Water Cooler mods.)

While Absolute Write's Water Cooler is run by self-righteous armatures devoid of any knowledge of the site's rules and ToS, NaNoWriMo forums is run by professionals, people who know what they are doing, staff who are actually trained in human resources management, and people who are well versed in the rules and ToS of the site.

NaNoWriMo has a "No Trolls", "No Flamers", "No Hate Posting", "No Racial Slurs", "No Swearing" policy which is tightly enforced. Posts of this nature are deleted minutes after showing up. A "3 strikes you're out" rule is also enforced: post hate after being warned twice and your account is deleted.

Because the forum mods are always on their toes and doing the job they were hired to do, the NaNoWriMo forums are 100% troll-free. The site is so threat free, family friendly and inviting that school teachers promote it as one of the best sites for teen authors to visit, which has in turn resulted in the fact that now more than 100,000 of the forums active members are between the ages of 13 to 18.

Now entering it's 15th year, and boasting 500,000 ACTIVE members (averaging 30,000 online at any given time) the NaNoWriMo forum has become known as the #1 spot on the internet where writers of all kinds, published or unpublished, self-published or traditional published, to hang out and talk shop.

The best part of NaNoWriMo is you can ask for advice without fear of being told you are stupid, without fear of being attacked, without fear of being told you don't belong there for whatever high polluting reason.

Places To Join Instead: KDP & CreateSpace

Another common question I receive regarding Absolute Write's Water Cooler is:

"I was just at the Water Cooler and I've had it with their snotty nosed attitude. I'll never be good enough in their eyes. Who the hell died and made them God? They don't own me, they can't tell me what to do! So what if I self published a book? It's my book. It's my life. I've had it. I'm not going back to that place. Too many bad vibes. I get sick to my stomach every time I go there. What I want to know is, is there a place like The Water Cooler but is just for self publishers only?"  

Yes. Yes there is. In fact there are two such places. Kindle KDP Forums and CreateSpace Forums. Both are targeted directly to helping self-publishers with every aspect of their career. Both of them are owned by Amazon.

You can find links to both places on this page. You have to click EACH of the "Get Started" buttons in order to join both forums individually. You will find no mention of either forum on that page, just a button telling you to get started on your ebook or your print book. Getting started means you create an account, and after you have created an account than you will be given a link telling you how to log into the forum. You are not required to publish a book on either Kindle or CreateSpace in order to join the forums.

I point out one quick note here: Amazon does little to moderate these forums and on occasion trolls and flamers are known to attack, it's rare, but it happens.

Frequently you will run into old members who are "fed up" with "answering newb questions that have already been answered" and will often respond to a new member's question with "Will you just use the search feature for crying out loud, it's right there in your face. Use it and stop asking questions we've already answered 500 times!"

If you are a new member, use the search function first, than if after reading all 500 threads on the topic you still haven't found your answer, start a new thread, but start it with: "So I used the search feature, and found lots of info, but nothing that really answered my question, so I was wondering if you could help me out with this..."

You'll start out on a better foot if you let them know you know how to use the search feature before asking questions.



Place To Avoid #2: GoodReads

Now moving on to GoodReads.

While the hostility on GoodReads has not yet reached the insanely overblown anti-self-publisher extremes seen on Absolute Write's Water Cooler, it is escalating at a rate which suggests it will not be long til it is as equally unsafe for self-publishers as Absolute Write's Water Cooler is.

While at Absolute Write's Water Cooler I say "Don't even bother to create an account", at GoodReads I say "Use your account with care". The problem at GoodReads is quite different than what is seen at Absolute Write's Water Cooler. Absolute Write's Water Cooler has flagrant, unjustified attacks on any author who dares admit to ever self-publishing, with most of these attacks instigated by the moderators. GoodReads however is not so mindless in it's attacks, and the attacks on GoodReads are by members not moderators.

The problem with GoodReads is also usually started by the author. While Absolute Write's Water Cooler is a site where writers talk about writing, GoodReads is a site where readers talk about reading. However some self published authors have abused GoodReads' book reviewing system, by spamming readers asking for reviews. This is a big no-no that will get your account banned. GoodReads is not the place to promote your book.

For the most part authors chatting with readers was going along fine, until the self-published e-book boom of 2010 - 2011. That's when the trouble on GoodReads started.

A flood of tens of thousands of self published Kindle authors (most of them one-shot-wonders, who did no formatting or editing and were passing off short novellas of 40,000 to 75,000 words as "novels" [novels are 120,000 words or more], that where dripping in typos and errors) landed on GoodReads all at once, and began to "self add" their books to GoodReads database (normally readers add a book after they have read it - it is a taboo no-no for an author to add their own title to the database).

Adding the books to the database was not a big issue, until those authors than began to contact every member on GoodReads with site wide emails saying: "Here's my book, please buy if off Amazon and tell me what you think!"

The annoyed readers would than leave 1star reviews saying "I didn't read this book, I just want to warn other readers to stay away from this spammer."

The author would comment on the review. The reader would comment on the comment, and next thing you know an all out battle between reader and author is going on.

This happened so many thousands of times to so many tens of thousands of readers, that a majority of them banded together in an "anti-self publisher protest". An angry mob of thousands of members began actively searching out self-published authors and back-lashed their books with not hundreds, but rather thousands of hate filled 1 star reviews. The herd continues attacking any book or author "perceived" as self published, whether they are or not. Many of the herd's members began petitioning GoodReads demanding a ban on self-published books in the database.

Things seem to have calmed down on GoodReads, but the herd rises up from time to time to lash out on any self-published author who posts in the groups and discussions with any mention of their book.

To be safe on GoodReads, never contact another member asking them to check out/buy/read/or review your book, and if you post on threads, never mention that you are an author, never mention your book, just be a reader among readers and talk about books you've read, forget that you are an author while roaming GoodReads and you'll do fine.

Place To Join Instead: LibraryThing

However I do frequently receive questions like this one:

"Is there an alternative to GoodReads where I can post my book and let people know it's out there?"

Not really. No. There are alternatives to GoodReads, yes. LibraryThing, headquartered here in Portland Maine, was the very first book database and was the inspiration for GoodReads and thus is very similar. However, like GoodReads if you start blasting your book in everyone's face, you'll receive a nasty reception from the members, most of whom are in fact librarians, as the site was originally open only to libraries. Anyone can join today, but librarians still dominate the membership.

Are there places to promote your book? A few, however, none that I'm aware of, which actually do the authors any good. As a general rule promoting your book online via groups, forums, etc, is not recommended and causes more harm to your reputation than anything else.








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