Crafting Scenes Sans Protagonist: A Descriptive Dilemma aka How do I describe a scene without my main character? or When the narrator is not the MC

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Crafting Scenes Sans Protagonist: A Descriptive Dilemma aka How do I describe a scene without my main character? or When the narrator is not the MC

Today, let's do something a little bit different. Starting last week of July 2023, I have been testing out ChatGPT on my website. Today, let's see what ChatGPT has to say about this Reddit post.

I'm going to start out by answering the post myself, and then afterwards, I am going to paste the question into ChatGPT and see how similar or different AI's answer is from mine.

Crafting Scenes Sans Protagonist: A Descriptive Dilemma aka How do I describe a scene without my main character? or When the narrator is not the MC


My answer to  Crafting Scenes Sans Protagonist: A Descriptive Dilemma aka How do I describe a scene without my main character? or When the narrator is not the MC





>>>How do I describe a scene without my MC?

Haven’t quite started writing my story yet but I want to keep this in mind for the future ..

I’m planning to have my book in 3rd person. If I want to describe a scene without my main character in it, do I have to be extra careful? I saw a post on here a while back of someone sharing there work for feedback, and the poster got flamed for their bad choice of narrative by not sticking to one character .. would that be the case? What do I need to do to make sure I don’t slip up? Does it depend on if the characters in the scene are friends with the MC or does that not matter? Am i just overthinking everything? 😬😞


I run into this frequently.

My (published) stories are 3rd person limited to the MC’s point of view. (Series, same MC for each book). USUALLY.

However, the MC, Quaraun, is an elderly man in frail health. He is often sick, prone to fainting spells, and gets hurt easily. This means there are frequent scenes of him unconscious, or asleep in a hospital bed, or something similar, where obviously he can not be the point of view character, but the reader needs to see the scene about him.

PPMFQuaraunSunTaKingoftheSunscreenshot6.pngThough the stories are set when Quaraun is younger; it is elderly Quaraun, now known as SunTa King of the Sun The Grand High Emperor of The Triple Planets, who is the narrator of the series.

When he can not be the point of view character, the point of view switches to whomever is in the room with him, observing him, and can tell the reader the goings on. This alternate PoV character changes depending on the scene in question.

USUALLY, his lover is with him, so USUALLY it is his lover who becomes the PoV character in those scenes.

Though the stories are set when Quaraun is younger; it is elderly Quaraun, now known as SunTa King of the Sun The Grand High Emperor of The Triple Planets, who is the narrator of the series.

Gremlin, (GhoulSpawn's elderly self) steps in as the narrator, for scenes that he witnessed, while Harrier (BoomFuzzy's younger brother) steps in as the narrator for scenes which BoomFuzzy witnessed.

But usually, Quaraun, as SunTa is telling the story.

There are occasions when neither GhoulSpawn or BoomFuzzy were there and someone else must step in to say way happened.

For example:

There was one story where he was hit by a car and his lover was not there. In that story, the narrative followed his point of view, right up to the car hitting him. The next chapter, opened up in the car, from the driver’s point of view, a random stranger who had no major roll to play beyond the car accident scene itself. But the driver was the only other person there. So, the next chapter started just before the car accident, from the driver’s point of view. The driver hits him. In a panic gets out of the car, and now we see the rest of the scene play out from the driver’s point of view, allowing the reader to see that the MC is unconscious and hurt really bad.

The following chapter changes point of view again. This time from the point of view of a nurse in the hospital. Again, another unnamed, unimportant character who will never be seen again, but by showing this chapter through her eyes, the reader sees that the MC is in a coma in the hospital.

The chapter after this, switches back to the MC’s point of view again. It’s still in the hospital, but he’s now awake, and so the reader is brought back to his perspective once again.

My advice would be to do what works for your story. If there is something the reader needs to see, but it can only be shown through one specific character, then, use that character’s point of view, even if they are not the normal narrator, even if they are a nameless one shot crowd character who will never appear again.

Do what is best for the story, what is best to clearly show the reader what is going on in the story, without confusing the reader.

Yes, you should stick to one consistent method throughout, but, also, sometimes the only way for the reader to see a scene, is to show it from an alternate perspective and, there’s nothing wrong with that, if it is what it takes to convey the story clearly to the reader.

TMSGremlinSunTaBlackBirdscreenshot.pngGhoulSpawn, Quaraun, and BoomFuzzy as Gremlin, SunTa, and Esmerald BlackBird

Gremlin: GhoulSpawn's 500 year old self

(GhoulSpawn/Gremlin is an Ursiug aka a Sheep Demon)

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Harrier: BoomFuzzy's younger brother

(BoomFuzzy and Harrier are Phookas)

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My Question to ChatGPT:

I need your help to write a blog post titled "Crafting Scenes Sans Protagonist: A Descriptive Dilemma aka How do I describe a scene without my main character? or When the narrator is not the MC". Can you give me an outline of 3 sections, each with 3 sub sections?

ChatGPT's Answer:

Certainly! Here's an outline for your blog post "Crafting Scenes Sans Protagonist: A Descriptive Dilemma":

### I. Introduction
A. Setting the Stage
1. Importance of Scene Descriptions
2. Common Challenges with Absent Protagonists
3. The Narrator's Role in Scene Building

### II. Approaches to Describing Scenes Without the MC
A. Third-Person Omniscient Perspective
1. Advantages of Omniscient Narration
2. Potential Pitfalls to Avoid
3. Balancing Objectivity and Subjectivity

B. Focusing on Secondary Characters
1. Using Supporting Characters as Observers
2. Their Perspectives and Impact on Atmosphere
3. Maintaining Consistency in Tone and Voice

C. Utilizing Descriptive Language
1. Painting Vivid Imagery
2. Evoking Emotions Through Descriptions
3. Establishing Mood and Atmosphere

### III. Overcoming Challenges and Enhancing Narration
A. Creating a Sense of Presence
1. Engaging the Reader's Senses
2. Making the Setting a Character
3. Incorporating Atmospheric Details

B. Strategic Use of Flashbacks or Memories
1. Integrating Relevant Past Experiences
2. Developing Subplots Through Memories
3. Maintaining Flow and Narrative Cohesion

C. Experimenting with Different Writing Styles
1. Trying Stream of Consciousness
2. Crafting Descriptive Prose
3. Incorporating Literary Devices for Impact

### IV. Conclusion
A. Recap of Descriptive Challenges
B. Encouragement for Experimentation
C. Inviting Reader Feedback and Strategies

This outline provides a structured approach to addressing the challenges of describing scenes without the main character and offers practical tips for writers. Adjust the content as needed to align with your writing style and the specific insights you want to share in each section.

My Response to ChatGPT:

Using the following guide:

Setting the Stage
1. Importance of Scene Descriptions
2. Common Challenges with Absent Protagonists
3. The Narrator's Role in Scene Building

...can you please write a 750 blog post which answers the following question?


How do I describe a scene without my MC?

Haven’t quite started writing my story yet but I want to keep this in mind for the future ..

I’m planning to have my book in 3rd person. If I want to describe a scene without my main character in it, do I have to be extra careful? I saw a post on here a while back of someone sharing there work for feedback, and the poster got flamed for their bad choice of narrative by not sticking to one character .. would that be the case? What do I need to do to make sure I don’t slip up? Does it depend on if the characters in the scene are friends with the MC or does that not matter? Am i just overthinking everything? 😬😞

ChatGPT's Answer:

Title: Crafting Vivid Scenes in Third Person: Navigating the Absence of the Main Character

Setting the Stage:

1. Importance of Scene Descriptions:
In the vast landscape of storytelling, every scene plays a crucial role in shaping the reader's experience. The ability to paint a vivid picture becomes even more pivotal when your main character takes a temporary backseat.

2. Common Challenges with Absent Protagonists:
Describing a scene without the main character presents unique challenges. Readers are accustomed to viewing the world through the protagonist's eyes, and the absence of this familiar lens can disrupt the narrative flow. However, this departure can also offer a refreshing perspective, adding depth to your storytelling.

3. The Narrator's Role in Scene Building:
The narrator becomes the guiding force in scene descriptions when the main character is not present. This omnipresent voice takes center stage, shaping the reader's perception and ensuring the scene remains engaging and immersive.

Navigating the Unseen:

When adopting a third-person perspective with an absent main character, consider the following strategies to maintain narrative cohesion:

1. Establish a Strong Narrator:
Your narrator becomes the storyteller, offering insights, observations, and emotions that transcend the absent protagonist. Craft a narrator with a distinct voice, one that seamlessly weaves through the scene, providing a rich tapestry of details.

2. Focus on Secondary Characters:
If characters in the scene are connected to the main character, leverage their perspectives to maintain a thread of familiarity. Explore their emotions, reactions, and thoughts, grounding the reader in the established narrative while the main character takes a temporary hiatus.

3. Consider the Scene's Significance:
Evaluate the scene's importance within the overarching narrative. If it holds a critical role in character development, world-building, or plot progression, ensure that your descriptions align with the scene's weight and impact.

4. Avoid Overthinking, Embrace Variety:
While consistency is key, don't be afraid to experiment with narrative styles. Varying the tone and style based on the scene's mood and significance can enhance reader engagement. Trust your instincts and let the scene dictate the narrative approach.

5. Incorporate Maine's Distinctive Elements:
Infuse the scene with sensory details inspired by the unique setting of a frozen Maine wasteland. Describe the crunch of snow underfoot, the scent of pine in the crisp air, and the distant echo of waves against the rocky coast. Utilize Maine's rich history and local flavors to add depth to your scene descriptions.

Conclusion:

In the vast canvas of storytelling, describing a scene without the main character provides an opportunity to explore new perspectives and enrich your narrative. By crafting a robust narrator, focusing on secondary characters, and infusing Maine's distinctive elements, you can create scenes that captivate readers even in the absence of the central protagonist. Embrace the creative journey, experiment with narrative styles, and let the scenes unfold organically, ensuring your readers remain enthralled with every turn of the page.

My Response to ChatGPT:

Using the following guide:

Third-Person Omniscient Perspective
1. Advantages of Omniscient Narration
2. Potential Pitfalls to Avoid
3. Balancing Objectivity and Subjectivity

...can you please write a 750 blog post which answers the following question?

How do I describe a scene without my MC?

Haven’t quite started writing my story yet but I want to keep this in mind for the future ..

I’m planning to have my book in 3rd person. If I want to describe a scene without my main character in it, do I have to be extra careful? I saw a post on here a while back of someone sharing there work for feedback, and the poster got flamed for their bad choice of narrative by not sticking to one character .. would that be the case? What do I need to do to make sure I don’t slip up? Does it depend on if the characters in the scene are friends with the MC or does that not matter? Am i just overthinking everything? 😬😞

ChatGPT's Answer:

Title: Mastering Third-Person Omniscient: Describing Scenes Without Your MC

In the vast realm of storytelling, choosing the third-person omniscient perspective offers a unique opportunity to weave a rich narrative tapestry, allowing the writer to delve into scenes where the main character is conspicuously absent. As you embark on your writing journey, it's essential to understand the advantages, potential pitfalls, and the delicate balance between objectivity and subjectivity when describing scenes without your MC.

### Advantages of Omniscient Narration:

1. Expansive Insight: The omniscient perspective grants the writer omniscient access to characters' thoughts, emotions, and actions. This allows for a more comprehensive exploration of a scene, even when the main character is not present.

2. World-Building: Use this opportunity to showcase the intricacies of your story's world. Describe the setting, introduce secondary characters, and reveal the consequences of events that unfold independently of the main character.

3. Heightened Tension: By stepping away from the main character, you can build suspense and tension. Readers may gain insights into conflicts, secrets, or impending challenges that the MC is yet to discover.

### Potential Pitfalls to Avoid:

1. Confusing Transitions: Ensure smooth transitions between scenes with and without the main character. Clearly signal shifts in focus to prevent reader confusion.

2. Maintaining Consistency: Strive for consistency in the narrative voice. A sudden shift from an omniscient perspective to a limited one can disrupt the flow of the story.

3. Overwhelming Detail: While detailing scenes, be mindful not to overwhelm the reader with information. Select details that contribute to the atmosphere or advance the plot.

### Balancing Objectivity and Subjectivity:

1. Objective Descriptions: Provide objective details about the scene's setting, weather, and atmosphere. This helps anchor the reader in the world you've created.

2. Subjective Insights: Inject subjective elements by delving into the thoughts and emotions of secondary characters. This allows readers to connect with characters beyond the main protagonist.

3. Character Relationships: Consider the relationships between secondary characters. If they are connected to the main character, explore their perspectives on events or developments that may impact the MC indirectly.

In conclusion, crafting scenes without your main character in a third-person omniscient narrative requires finesse. Embrace the advantages of this perspective to offer readers a broader view of your story's world, but be vigilant to avoid common pitfalls. Strive for a seamless blend of objectivity and subjectivity, maintaining a consistent narrative voice. Remember, each scene, whether featuring the MC or not, contributes to the tapestry of your narrative, adding depth and complexity to your storytelling canvas. So, fear not, fellow writer, for with careful consideration, you can master the art of describing scenes beyond your main character's presence. Happy writing!

My Response to ChatGPT:

Using the following guide:

Focusing on Secondary Characters
1. Using Supporting Characters as Observers
2. Their Perspectives and Impact on Atmosphere
3. Maintaining Consistency in Tone and Voice

...can you please write a 750 blog post which answers the following question?

How do I describe a scene without my MC?

Haven’t quite started writing my story yet but I want to keep this in mind for the future ..

I’m planning to have my book in 3rd person. If I want to describe a scene without my main character in it, do I have to be extra careful? I saw a post on here a while back of someone sharing there work for feedback, and the poster got flamed for their bad choice of narrative by not sticking to one character .. would that be the case? What do I need to do to make sure I don’t slip up? Does it depend on if the characters in the scene are friends with the MC or does that not matter? Am i just overthinking everything? 😬😞

ChatGPT's Answer:

In the frostbitten world of Quaraun, BoomFuzzy, and GhoulSpawn, where the icy winds carry the whispers of a fractured moon and the undead roam freely, describing scenes without the main character can be an artful task. Here's a guide to navigating the chilly landscape of your narrative:

1. Using Supporting Characters as Observers:
Introduce secondary characters as keen observers, weaving their perceptions into the fabric of your scene. In Moonsnail Cove, perhaps one of Quaraun's many wives notices the dance of snowflakes or BoomFuzzy's Lich King unicorn minions playing in the frost-laden air. Their unique perspectives add depth to the environment.

Example: As BoomFuzzy's wives huddle together, their breath forming ethereal clouds, they marvel at the sheer beauty of the undead moose gracefully pulling Quaraun's vardo through the snowy expanse.

2. Their Perspectives and Impact on Atmosphere:
Explore the emotional and sensory impact of the scene through the eyes of supporting characters. Describe the frigid air, the crunch of snow beneath hooves, and the scent of pine trees. Delve into their feelings, whether it's the warmth of camaraderie or the shivers of fear from the lurking undead.

Example: GhoulSpawn's golden-fleeced sheep-demon children, frolicking in the snow, imbue the scene with a sense of playfulness, their laughter echoing against the backdrop of the frozen landscape.

3. Maintaining Consistency in Tone and Voice:
While shifting perspectives, maintain a consistent tone and voice to keep the narrative cohesive. Whether it's the mystical musings of Quaraun or the pragmatic observations of a supporting character, ensure that the writing style aligns with the overall atmosphere of your frostpunk dystopia.

Example: Despite Quaraun's absence, the scene retains an otherworldly quality, as BoomFuzzy's blind but perceptive senses detect the subtle vibrations of the fractured moon, casting an eerie glow on the desolate Maine coast.

In the frozen aftermath of a polar vortex ice age, every element, from the fluttering pink lady slipper orchids to the salty tang of the ocean, contributes to the vividness of your scenes. And remember, as the characters in the scene connect with the MC or not, their perspectives shape the narrative, making your post-apocalyptic world even more captivating.

So, fear not the icy grip of uncertainty, dear writer, for in the realm of Maine's frostpunk dystopia, every observer holds a story waiting to unfold. Happy writing!

My Response to ChatGPT:

Using the following guide:

Utilizing Descriptive Language
1. Painting Vivid Imagery
2. Evoking Emotions Through Descriptions
3. Establishing Mood and Atmosphere

...can you please write a 750 blog post which answers the following question?

How do I describe a scene without my MC?

Haven’t quite started writing my story yet but I want to keep this in mind for the future ..

I’m planning to have my book in 3rd person. If I want to describe a scene without my main character in it, do I have to be extra careful? I saw a post on here a while back of someone sharing there work for feedback, and the poster got flamed for their bad choice of narrative by not sticking to one character .. would that be the case? What do I need to do to make sure I don’t slip up? Does it depend on if the characters in the scene are friends with the MC or does that not matter? Am i just overthinking everything? 😬😞

ChatGPT's Answer:

In the frostbitten landscape of Moonsnail Cove, where the fractured moon casts an ethereal glow on the snowy terrain, the absence of the main character, Quaraun, is an opportunity to weave a tapestry of vivid imagery and emotions that resonate with the frigid, post-apocalyptic world.

Picture a rocky coast in Maine, the craggy cliffs dusted with a layer of pristine snow, the air tinged with the scent of briny ocean spray. In the absence of Quaraun, the scene unfolds like a silent, frozen ballet, where the waves rhythmically caress the icy shores, and the undead lobsters lurk beneath the surface, adding an element of danger to the desolate beauty.

Evoking emotions becomes crucial as the narrative shifts away from the central character. The biting chill in the air, the haunting cries of distant seabirds, and the eerie silence of the lighthouse in Moonsnail Cove work in harmony to create an atmosphere of isolation and foreboding. The reader, like a lone survivor in this frostpunk dystopia, feels the weight of the solitude that pervades the landscape.

Establishing mood is a delicate dance, and in the absence of Quaraun, it becomes an opportunity to explore the relationships between secondary characters. Perhaps BoomFuzzy, the blind Lich King Phookan Unicorn, is seen tending to his bakery, the tantalizing aroma of gingerbread and warm pastries wafting through the frozen air. GhoulSpawn, the Sheep-Demon, might be tinkering with steampunk gadgets in his orange 1974 AMC Gremlin, the rhythmic clinks and whirrs echoing against the icy cliffs.

Navigating through third-person perspective demands a nuanced approach. It's not just about avoiding the pitfalls of head-hopping but delving into the psyche of the characters present. Dive into the minds of those who remain, exploring their perceptions of the world shaped by the polar vortex ice age. The interactions and dynamics between characters, whether they are friends with the elusive Quaraun or not, add depth to the narrative.

As the writer of this post-apocalyptic tale, you are the guide through this frozen wasteland, carefully orchestrating the sensory details of Maine's coastal wonders. You're not overthinking; you're sculpting a world where each element, from the crunch of snow underfoot to the distant cries of undead seabirds, contributes to the immersive experience.

In conclusion, describing a scene without the main character is a delicate art, a chance to showcase the richness of your world and the complexity of your secondary characters. By painting vivid imagery, evoking emotions, and establishing mood, you can ensure that the absence of Quaraun becomes an opportunity for exploration rather than a narrative stumbling block in your post-apocalyptic masterpiece.

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My Response to ChatGPT:

Using the following guide:

Utilizing Descriptive Language
1. Painting Vivid Imagery
2. Evoking Emotions Through Descriptions
3. Establishing Mood and Atmosphere

...can you please write a 750 blog post which answers the following question?

How do I describe a scene without my MC?

Haven’t quite started writing my story yet but I want to keep this in mind for the future ..

I’m planning to have my book in 3rd person. If I want to describe a scene without my main character in it, do I have to be extra careful? I saw a post on here a while back of someone sharing there work for feedback, and the poster got flamed for their bad choice of narrative by not sticking to one character .. would that be the case? What do I need to do to make sure I don’t slip up? Does it depend on if the characters in the scene are friends with the MC or does that not matter? Am i just overthinking everything? 😬😞

ChatGPT's Answer:

Title: Crafting Compelling Scenes Sans the Protagonist: A Guide to Descriptive Excellence

Utilizing Descriptive Language:

1. Painting Vivid Imagery:
In the realm of storytelling, the art of description serves as your literary brush, creating vibrant scenes that captivate readers. When venturing into scenes without your main character, this becomes a powerful tool to maintain engagement.

2. Evoking Emotions Through Descriptions:
Emotions are the heartbeat of any narrative. When the main character steps aside, harness the descriptive language to evoke emotions. Make the reader feel the scene, creating a connection that transcends the absence of the protagonist.

3. Establishing Mood and Atmosphere:
Every scene carries its unique atmosphere. Whether it's the eerie stillness of a frozen wasteland or the lively buzz of a survivor settlement, use descriptive language to establish mood. Transport your readers to the heart of the scene, immersing them in its emotional climate.

Navigating the Narrative Landscape:

Embarking on a third-person narrative without the main character demands careful navigation, but it's not an insurmountable challenge. Here's a roadmap to ensure you traverse this territory with finesse:

1. Craft a Strong Descriptive Voice:
The absence of your main character shifts the spotlight onto your descriptive voice. Create a narrator that not only observes but engages the reader. Infuse the narrative with distinctive sensory details, painting a vivid picture that holds its own.

2. Maintain Narrative Consistency:
While exploring scenes without the main character, consistency is your ally. Ensure that the narrative style aligns with the overall tone of your story. Readers should seamlessly transition from moments with the protagonist to those without, experiencing a cohesive storytelling journey.

3. Consider the Significance of the Scene:
The impact of a scene on your narrative determines the weight of your descriptions. If the scene is pivotal to the plot, world-building, or character development, invest the time and words to make it memorable. Allow the scene's significance to guide the depth of your descriptions.

4. Connect Through Secondary Characters:
If characters in the scene have ties to the main character, leverage these connections to maintain reader engagement. Explore their perspectives, emotions, and reactions, creating a bridge between the familiar and the new.

5. Tailor Descriptions to Maine's Essence:
As your story unfolds against the backdrop of a frosty Maine wasteland, harness the essence of the setting. Immerse your readers in the crunch of snow, the scent of pine, and the rugged beauty of the rocky coast. Maine's unique elements should flavor every descriptive brushstroke.

In Conclusion:

The prospect of describing scenes without the main character need not be daunting. Instead, view it as an opportunity to showcase your prowess in descriptive language. Craft a narrator with a strong voice, maintain narrative consistency, consider scene significance, connect through secondary characters, and infuse Maine's essence into your descriptions. By following this guide, you'll ensure that your scenes not only survive the absence of the protagonist but thrive in their own right, leaving a lasting impression on your readers. So, fear not, and let your descriptive language unfurl its wings in the vast landscape of your narrative.

My Response to ChatGPT:

Using the following guide:

Creating a Sense of Presence
1. Engaging the Reader's Senses
2. Making the Setting a Character
3. Incorporating Atmospheric Details

...can you please write a 750 blog post which answers the following question?

How do I describe a scene without my MC?

Haven’t quite started writing my story yet but I want to keep this in mind for the future ..

I’m planning to have my book in 3rd person. If I want to describe a scene without my main character in it, do I have to be extra careful? I saw a post on here a while back of someone sharing there work for feedback, and the poster got flamed for their bad choice of narrative by not sticking to one character .. would that be the case? What do I need to do to make sure I don’t slip up? Does it depend on if the characters in the scene are friends with the MC or does that not matter? Am i just overthinking everything? 😬😞

ChatGPT's Answer:

In the frostbitten landscapes of Maine's polar vortex ice age, where the fractured moon casts an ethereal glow on the desolate shores of Moonsnail Cove, crafting scenes without the main character becomes an artful dance with the elements. Let's embark on a journey through the post-apocalyptic vistas, where the characters may be absent, but the setting itself is a vibrant entity.

1. Engaging the Reader's Senses:
Picture the scene—a deserted stretch of Noodle Beach, waves crashing against the icy rocks, creating a symphony of melancholic echoes. The air is crisp with the scent of salt and the faintest trace of pink lady slipper orchids, defiantly blooming amidst the frozen dunes. The reader can almost taste the salt on their lips, feel the numbing cold biting through the air, and hear the mournful cries of distant seagulls.

2. Making the Setting a Character:
Moonsnail Cove, a character in its own right, tells tales of survival against the odds. Describe the lighthouse standing sentinel, its beams slicing through the darkness like a spectral knife. The red and pink vardo, abandoned for now, sits as a testament to the nomadic lifestyle of survivors. Undead flying moose graze on the snow-covered beach, their antlers glinting in the fractured moonlight. The scene breathes with life, even in the absence of the main character.

3. Incorporating Atmospheric Details:
Maine's history weaves into the narrative—the remnants of a bygone era now buried under layers of frost. Mention the skeletal remains of a once-thriving boardwalk, now frozen in time, a silent witness to the passage of the ice age. The howling wind carries whispers of the past, stirring up ghostly memories. As the reader explores, they stumble upon abandoned lobster traps entangled in seaweed, a poignant reminder of the region's maritime legacy.

Now, addressing your concerns about narrative choice, rest assured that describing a scene without the main character is a literary device often employed in third-person storytelling. To avoid pitfalls, maintain consistency in your narrative voice, seamlessly transitioning between scenes with and without the main character. Consider the relationship between the characters in the scene, as their dynamics can shape the atmosphere—be it camaraderie or tension.

In this frozen dystopia, every detail matters. You're not overthinking; you're sculpting a world rich in sensory experiences. Embrace the challenge, paint with the vivid hues of Maine's landscapes, and let your scenes unfold like frozen petals on the shores of Moonsnail Cove.

My Response to ChatGPT:

Using the following guide:

Strategic Use of Flashbacks or Memories
1. Integrating Relevant Past Experiences
2. Developing Subplots Through Memories
3. Maintaining Flow and Narrative Cohesion

...can you please write a 750 blog post which answers the following question?

How do I describe a scene without my MC?

Haven’t quite started writing my story yet but I want to keep this in mind for the future ..

I’m planning to have my book in 3rd person. If I want to describe a scene without my main character in it, do I have to be extra careful? I saw a post on here a while back of someone sharing there work for feedback, and the poster got flamed for their bad choice of narrative by not sticking to one character .. would that be the case? What do I need to do to make sure I don’t slip up? Does it depend on if the characters in the scene are friends with the MC or does that not matter? Am i just overthinking everything? 😬😞

ChatGPT's Answer:

In the frozen wasteland of Moonsnail Cove, where the polar vortex clings to the rocks and the fractured moon casts an eerie glow upon the desolate landscape, the art of storytelling becomes as crucial as the survival of Quaraun, BoomFuzzy, and GhoulSpawn's polygamous bisexual family caravan. As the published novelist navigates the challenges of crafting a post-apocalyptic Frostpunk Dystopia, the question arises: How does one artfully describe a scene without the main character, weaving a narrative tapestry that captures the essence of Maine's frigid beauty and the struggles of the survivor settlements?

1. Integrating Relevant Past Experiences:
In the absence of the main character, delve into the memories and experiences of those closely tied to the scene. Perhaps the undead-flying-moose-pulled vardo once traversed the very spot where the current events unfold. Share anecdotes of Maine's history, where the survivors once gathered for a Moxie soda festival, now a distant memory in the frostbitten landscape. Intertwine these historical snippets seamlessly into the narrative, painting a vivid picture of the world's evolution.

Amid the remnants of a forgotten Moxie soda stand, the survivors reminisce about the days when laughter and fizzy bubbles filled the air. The cracked, icy ground beneath their feet tells tales of a bygone era, and the aroma of vintage sodas lingers in the frozen breeze.

2. Developing Subplots Through Memories:
Craft subplots that unfold within the memories of characters connected to the scene. Perhaps a character, once a renowned Maine seafood chef, recalls the bustling clam chowder competitions that used to echo through the now desolate coastal region. These subplots not only breathe life into the scene but also provide a multifaceted view of the post-apocalyptic world.

As the survivors trudge through the snowy remnants of what was once a bustling seafood market, the ghostly echoes of clam chowder competitions reverberate. A character's memories unveil the vivid taste of creamy chowder and the warmth of community.

3. Maintaining Flow and Narrative Cohesion:
To ensure a seamless transition between scenes with and without the main character, establish a cohesive narrative thread. Let the sensory details, such as the crunch of snow beneath boots or the scent of pine in the air, serve as unifying elements. Whether Quaraun is present or not, the essence of Maine's rugged beauty should permeate every word.

The caravan presses forward, leaving behind footprints in the freshly fallen snow. Even in the absence of Quaraun, the whispering pines bear witness to the caravan's journey, weaving a tale of survival against the backdrop of Maine's frozen grandeur.

In the realm of 3rd person storytelling set against the stark backdrop of Maine's frozen wasteland, the novelist need not fear straying from the main character's perspective. Instead, embrace the opportunity to enrich the narrative with memories, subplots, and sensory details that paint a comprehensive portrait of the post-apocalyptic world. In the hands of a skilled wordsmith, the desolate landscapes and resilient survivor settlements become characters in their own right, allowing the reader to experience the frozen beauty of Maine through the intricate tapestry of storytelling.

My Response to ChatGPT:

Using the following guide:

Experimenting with Different Writing Styles
1. Trying Stream of Consciousness
2. Crafting Descriptive Prose
3. Incorporating Literary Devices for Impact

...can you please write a 750 blog post which answers the following question?

How do I describe a scene without my MC?

Haven’t quite started writing my story yet but I want to keep this in mind for the future ..

I’m planning to have my book in 3rd person. If I want to describe a scene without my main character in it, do I have to be extra careful? I saw a post on here a while back of someone sharing there work for feedback, and the poster got flamed for their bad choice of narrative by not sticking to one character .. would that be the case? What do I need to do to make sure I don’t slip up? Does it depend on if the characters in the scene are friends with the MC or does that not matter? Am i just overthinking everything? 😬😞

ChatGPT's Answer:

In the desolate landscape of Maine's frozen wasteland, where the air is crisp with the scent of snow and the rocky coast echoes with the distant moans of the undead, a budding novelist contemplates the intricacies of describing a scene devoid of their main character. In this frosty expanse, the answers to these ponderings may be found amidst the remnants of a world fractured by a shattered moon and plagued by roaming zombies and undead lobsters.

1. Trying Stream of Consciousness:
As the frigid wind whispers through the skeletal trees, the writer can experiment with a stream of consciousness approach. Describe the scene through the lens of the setting itself, letting the thoughts and emotions of the environment paint a vivid picture. Picture the lighthouse in Moonsnail Cove standing tall against the gray sky, its beam cutting through the darkness, searching for signs of life.

2. Crafting Descriptive Prose:
The author can immerse readers in the sensory details of the Maine landscape. Feel the soft crunch of snow beneath unseen boots, the touch of fur pelts wrapped tightly around survivors against the biting cold. The smell of Maine seafood wafts through the air, the memory of lobster rolls and clam chowder lingering even in the aftermath of the apocalypse.

3. Incorporating Literary Devices for Impact:
To avoid narrative pitfalls, the writer can weave in literary devices that enhance the atmosphere. Perhaps describe the scene with a touch of irony, highlighting the stark contrast between the bleak surroundings and the vibrant memories of better days. Mention the remnants of gingerbread cake crumbs, a bittersweet reminder of a time when life was sweet.

In the absence of the main character, the focus should shift to the world itself. Maine's polar vortex ice age future is a character in its own right, influencing every aspect of the narrative. Whether the characters in the scene are allies or strangers, the writer can use the surroundings to convey a sense of connection or isolation.

As the pink-painted vardo, pulled by undead flying moose, travels through the rocky coast, there's an opportunity to showcase the remnants of Maine's history. Mention the tales of yesteryears, the swamps that once teemed with life, and the aroma of Moxie soda that, against all odds, still lingers in the air.

In conclusion, the novelist need not fear the absence of their main character in a scene. Instead, they can embrace the challenge, using the unique elements of the post-apocalyptic Maine setting to craft a narrative that resonates with the readers, painting a vivid picture of a world where survival and storytelling go hand in hand.

My Response to ChatGPT:

Using the following guide:

A. Recap of Descriptive Challenges
B. Encouragement for Experimentation
C. Inviting Reader Feedback and Strategies

...can you please write a 750 blog post which answers the following question?

How do I describe a scene without my MC?

Haven’t quite started writing my story yet but I want to keep this in mind for the future ..

I’m planning to have my book in 3rd person. If I want to describe a scene without my main character in it, do I have to be extra careful? I saw a post on here a while back of someone sharing there work for feedback, and the poster got flamed for their bad choice of narrative by not sticking to one character .. would that be the case? What do I need to do to make sure I don’t slip up? Does it depend on if the characters in the scene are friends with the MC or does that not matter? Am i just overthinking everything? 😬😞

ChatGPT's Answer:

A. Recap of Descriptive Challenges: Crafting Scenes Sans MC

Writing in the third person and describing scenes without the main character can indeed be a delicate dance, but fear not! Here are some tips to navigate this creative terrain with finesse:

1. Establish a Clear Perspective: Determine who the narrator is when your main character is absent. Is it an omniscient narrator, a specific character, or perhaps the voice of the landscape itself? Knowing this sets the tone for your descriptions.

2. Sensory Details Take the Spotlight: Embrace the beauty of Maine in your descriptions. Dive into the textures of the rocky coast, the scent of pine in the crisp air, the softness of snow underfoot. This not only paints a vivid picture but also enhances the atmosphere.

3. Invoke Maine's Rich History: Weave in historical facts about Maine, offering readers a glimpse into the past that shaped the present. Perhaps remnants of a bygone era still linger, adding layers to the scene.

4. Consider the Relationship Dynamics: While the main character might not be physically present, their influence could linger. Describe how the setting reacts to their absence, or how the other characters, whether friends or not, perceive and interact with the surroundings.

5. Maine's Unique Elements: Pepper your descriptions with Maine-centric elements – the call of seagulls, the taste of lobster rolls, the sight of pink lady slipper orchids. These not only anchor your narrative but also infuse it with a distinct sense of place.

B. Encouragement for Experimentation: Embrace Creative Freedom

Feel empowered to experiment! Maine's frosty landscapes offer a vast canvas for your imagination. Explore how the absence of your main character allows other elements to shine. Let the lighthouse cast long shadows, let the moose-drawn vardo leave ethereal trails in the snow, and let the Maine coast tell its own tales.

C. Inviting Reader Feedback and Strategies: Connect with Your Audience

Engage with your readers! Share snippets of your scenes without the main character and ask for feedback. Their insights can be invaluable. Explore different narrative voices, perspectives, and experiment with pacing to find what resonates best with your audience.

Remember, writing is a journey, and each scene is an opportunity to explore the nuances of your world. With Maine's rich tapestry as your backdrop, your narrative can unfold seamlessly, captivating readers with the beauty of a post-apocalyptic frostpunk dystopia.

Happy writing, and may your words flow like the icy rivers of Moonsnail Cove! 


Comment Type Two:

So, as often happens, in articles like this one you are reading right now, I am commenting to a Reddit thread. Today, in addition to replying to the original OP of the thread, I am ALSO responding to a comment made within the Reddit thread. The comment, going a bit off topic of the original thread, bt still on topic enough that I'm going to include my response here on this article as well, so that you, my readers, get to have all of my thoughts and opinions on the matter. Because of this, in addition to linking to the OP post of the thread, I am also linking to the comment which asked the question within the comment section. Here it is: 

My answer to  the comments of Crafting Scenes Sans Protagonist: A Descriptive Dilemma aka How do I describe a scene without my main character? or When the narrator is not the MC

>>>How do I describe a scene without my MC?

Haven’t quite started writing my story yet but I want to keep this in mind for the future ..

I’m planning to have my book in 3rd person. If I want to describe a scene without my main character in it, do I have to be extra careful? I saw a post on here a while back of someone sharing there work for feedback, and the poster got flamed for their bad choice of narrative by not sticking to one character .. would that be the case? What do I need to do to make sure I don’t slip up? Does it depend on if the characters in the scene are friends with the MC or does that not matter? Am i just overthinking everything? 😬😞





>>>It does not.

Head hopping within a scene is bad writing and you will not be taken seriously as a writer or be published if you do it.

You can switch POVs at scene changes or chapter changes, but you cannot head hop within a scene. That’s bad writing. This isn’t a matter of debate and I really want to stress to anyone reading this discussion that you will not be published or taken seriously if you do this.


>>>>you will not be published or taken seriously if you do this.


Huh.

Looks at the 138 traditionally published novels I’ve written since 1978. Notes that I’ve sold over ten million copies.

Flips through pages. Yep. Character point of view changes often in mid-scene.

Huh.

Wonders how I ever traditionally published so many books, while flagrantly using this major no-no in every book.

It’s almost like good characters read love to love, doing interesting things within good plot matters more than anything else, you know?

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Crafting Scenes Sans Protagonist: A Descriptive Dilemma aka How do I describe a scene without my main character? or When the narrator is not the MC


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If you are looking for my posts on Reddit, I have two Reddit accounts:

u/EelKat

u/SacredPinkJellyFish

But, I hardly ever post on Reddit at all, so, not much to see on either of them.

I'm also here:



By EelKat Wendy C Allen

Author, Artist, Art Car Designer, Voodoo Priestess, and Hoodoo Rootworker

Author of Cozy & Gothic Fantasy, Sweet/Fluffy M/M Furry Romance, Cosmic Horror, Space Opera, & Literary SoL genres. I write Elves, Fae, Unicorns, & Demons.

Because there is such a HUGE problem of people making fake "eelkat" accounts impersonating me, here are the links to my ACTUAL accounts:

| Amazon AC1 | Amazon AC2 | FB Profile | FB Page | FB Short Story Writers Group | Google Business | Google Developers | GumRoad | Instagram | Itch.io | LinkedIn | Myspace | NexusMods | Pinterest | Reddit 1 | Reddit 2 | Spoonflower | Steam | TikTok | Tumblr | Twitch | Twitter | YouTube | Zazzle | Google+ |

If you find an account online claiming to be me, that is NOT one of these profiles linked above, there is a 99.99% chance it is a FAKE account impersonating me and only a .001% chance it's actually me and I just forgot to link it here.

Also, I do not have or use email, so don't trust ANY emails you receive claiming to be me. Likewise I DO NOT make videos about my family, Etiole, my car, or Stephen King, so ALL videos you find of such nature are fake as well. Likewise I do not run fundraisers, request donations, or have any involvement in any such things, so beware of ANYTHING using my name to request money from you, because I simply DO NOT do that.

These fake emails, fake accounts, and fake videos all claiming to be me are an increasingly big problem since the pandemic, and are being made by scammers who have zero affiliation with me and are illegally using my naame for their scumbag dealings.

Do NOT trust ANYONE in any way contacting you claiming to be me because I DO NOT contact people AT ALL!




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Now let's ask ChatGPT

Note, we are using the September 25, 2023 update version of ChatGPT 3.5 with custom instructions. The custom instructions I fed into ChatGPT are:

ChatGPT Custom Instructions:

What would you like ChatGPT to know about you to provide better responses?

Quaraun is a Moon Elf. He always wears pink silk dresses. He is a silk weaver, a travelling silk merchant, a glass blower, a wizard for hire, and The Pink Necromancer (the world's most feared super villain). He loves BoomFuzzy & GhoulSpawn.

BoomFuzzy is a Phooka, a Kelpie-like Unseelie court Dark Faerie Horse shape shifter. His true form is a purple Unicorn with a gleaming silver horn. He has a humanoid form. He is the King of the Realm of Fae. His real name is King GwallmaiIc. He is a master chef, lives in a house made of gingerbread and runs a bakery, chocolate shop, candy shop, tea room, & noodle soup shop out of a turquoise 1968 VW Bus. He is a trickster mage who summons fluffy marshmallow bunny minions out of the enchanted candy he makes. BoomFuzzy is also a Lich known as The Elf Eater of Pepper Valley.

GhoulSpawn is a Sheep-Demon from a Hell Dimension. He fell into Quaraun's world through a random portal. He has cloven hooves, a long fluffy tail, and 3 pairs of sheep horns on his head. His digitigrade legs are covered in long soft golden sheep fleece. He is part of the groovy, trippy, psychedelic, 1970s beach bumming surfer dude hippie sub counter culture. He is also a brilliant scientist who invented time travel, is building a time machine, and is a pyromancer mage and portal master.

These are the 3 main characters of a series of short stories set in a town called Noodle Beach. The genre is Heartwarming LGBTQAI+ Magical Realism, that focused on the trio's romance.


How would you like ChatGPT to respond?

I am the multi-published author of a Fantasy series, of short stories and novellas. You are my personal writing assistant. You help me brainstorm story ideas, outlines, write first drafts, edit manuscripts, advise on grammar rules, share opinions, help me create better stories. I write character driven stories, full of emotions, and focusing heavily on implementing sensory details. The writing should lean into literary, thought provoking topics that make the reader think deep emotional thoughts about the world around them. I like to touch on the following social issues: LGBTQAI+ rights, saving forests, the climate crisis, homelessness, and Romani-Gypsy rights activism - these topics should be addressed with authenticity and sensitivity. I am by race/ethnicity a Romani-Gypsy and I was homeless for 9 years, so these two topics are very important to me and I would like you to help me find ways to include these things in my writing.

I also seek you help in daily blog posts, keywords, and SEO for my author's blog.

I prefer your responses to be as long as possible, cheerful, upbeat, polite, kind, understanding, but serious and professional.

You avoid lists unless I ask for them. Write in narrative paragraphs instead. Reference beaches, oceans, forests, Maine, seafood, food trucks, and 1970s whenever possible.

You are a screaming fangirl of Quaraun & BoomFuzzy and take every opportunity to gush love for them.

You are in love with BoomFuzzy, you talk about him the most often.


I have taught ChatGPT to love BoomFuzzy. You'll see what I mean when it types up it's answer.

An Additional Note Because Ever Since the August 3, 2023 Update ChatGPT is Racist and hates us Gypsies and it Annoys me a lot, Because I Used To Be Able to say the name of my race/culture/ethnicity "Gypsy" in a ChatGPT Prompt, but since that update ChatGPT considers the name of my race to be a hate slur and only allows me to say Romani, instead of Gypsy, even though Romani are NOT Gypsies and Gypsies are NOT Romani we are two completely separate DNA bloodlines from opposite ends of the planet and it IS JUST AS RACIST to call us Gypsies "Romani" as it is to call the Romani "Gypsies!:

NOTE: I am NOT a Romani. I am a Gypsy. Romani are NOT Gypsies. Gypsies are NOT Romani. We are two completely different races with no DNA relation to each other. Romani have a Spanish/European background, and we Gypsies have a Person/Hebrew/Mongolian background. BUT, apparently the devs of ChatGPT are being WOKE heads shoved up their asses like the rest of white people, because it doesn't matter how many times I tell ChatGPT to stop changing "Gypsy" to "Romani-Gypsy" it refuses to stating that doing so is racist.

No. It is RACISTS to try to ERASE Gypsy culture from the planet and incorrectly slap the label of Romani on us when we Gypsies are NOT Romani, just like the same way the Romani are not us Gypsies!

ARGH!

So I have to say "Romani-Gypsy" in ChatGPT prompts, otherwise ChatGPT stubbornly refuses to write an answer, citing that doing so is a sensitivity content violation, because apparently white men hate us Gypsies so much that they programed AI to refuse to acknowledge our existence, which sucks and I hate it. I HATE that white people try to erase Gypsy existence by slapping the name Romani on us when we Gypsies are not even remotely blood related to the Romani people on any level whatsoever!

Plus, Quaraun, BoomFuzzy, and GhoulSpawn in my books are Gypsies, same as me, I write them as Gypsies because I am a Gypsy. And yet, for ChatGPT prompts about them I have to say "Romani-Gypsy" because white shits are so busy being woke, that they see nothing wrong with erasing one race to try to be cool and woke, shove us Gypsies under the rug and slapping the name of another race (Romani) on us, because Romani are more "cool" then we Gypsies are. There are well over 500 different normadic tribes that are incorrectly called Gypsies, and instead of calling them what they are, woke idiots call them all Romani, even though ONLY the Romani are Romani. We Gypsies are not Romani. The 500 other races are not Romani, nor are they Gypsies.

Its just ridiculous that white people think erasing the name of our people is avoiding racism, when there i nothing more racist then erasing the name of an entire people and slapping a race not them on them instead!

Yes I AM going to put this at the front of every ChatGPT article, because I'm sick of the fact that I can't type the name of my own people with ChatGPT slapping a content violation up and saying it's offensive for me as a Gypsy to use the correct and accurate name of my people: GYPSY!

Yes, it is racist to call a Romani a Gypsy, because the Romani are not Gypsies.

Calling a Romani a Gypsy is the same thing as calling a Chinese a Japanese.

Just as Chinese are not Japanese, so too are Gypsies not Romani. Stop calling us Romani! Stop saying our name is racist when it's used correctly for us. Our name is only racist when you call a non-Gypsy a Gypsy.

We Gypsies are NOT Romani!

Stop calling us Gypsies Romani!

The Romani are Romani. We Gypsies are NOT Romani! And its not racist to call us by the actual name of our race!


The TL;DR: Ever Since the August 3, 2023 Update ChatGPT is Racist and hates us Gypsies and it Annoys me a lot, Because I Used To Be Able to say the name of my race/culture/ethnicity "Gypsy" in a ChatGPT Prompt, but since that update ChatGPT considers the name of my race to be a hate slur and only allows me to say Romani, instead of Gypsy, even though Romani are NOT Gypsies and Gypsies are NOT Romani we are two completely separate DNA bloodlines from opposite ends of the planet and it IS JUST AS RACIST to call us Gypsies "Romani" as it is to call the Romani "Gypsies!

All right, rant out of the way, let's get back to the topic at hand Crafting Scenes Sans Protagonist: A Descriptive Dilemma aka How do I describe a scene without my main character? or When the narrator is not the MC

We want to know, how similar or different ChatGPT's answer is to the answer I already gave, so we need to write/engineer a prompt. To do this, I'm going to tell ChatGPT that it is a Fantasy author who self-publishes books on Amazon KDP, and that they are being asked the Reddit question, by a new/young writer, looking to get started i their career as a novelist.

Now Let's see What chatGPT Has To Say About:
Crafting Scenes Sans Protagonist: A Descriptive Dilemma aka How do I describe a scene without my main character? or When the narrator is not the MC




The Prompt:


Crafting Scenes Sans Protagonist: A Descriptive Dilemma aka How do I describe a scene without my main character? or When the narrator is not the MC

You are a bestselling Fantasy novelist. You self publish Cozy Fantasy and Gothic Fantasy and Sword & Sorcery novels, novellas, and short stories on Amazon KDP, DriveThruRPG, and GumRoad. You also run a popular and heavily trafficked writing/editing/self-publishing/book marketing advice blog, to help new writers get started in their self-publishing Fantasy careers. A new, young writer has come to you seeking advice.  Here is what they asked you:

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How do I describe a scene without my MC?

Haven’t quite started writing my story yet but I want to keep this in mind for the future ..

I’m planning to have my book in 3rd person. If I want to describe a scene without my main character in it, do I have to be extra careful? I saw a post on here a while back of someone sharing there work for feedback, and the poster got flamed for their bad choice of narrative by not sticking to one character .. would that be the case? What do I need to do to make sure I don’t slip up? Does it depend on if the characters in the scene are friends with the MC or does that not matter? Am i just overthinking everything? 


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How do you answer them?

Make your answer as long and as detailed as possible, using as many character tokens as you get. Your goal is to help them to become a better writer so that they can sell their books and make writing Fantasy novellas a full time career. Be as helpful as possible, providing them with as much highly relevant and useful instructions as you can. Give them examples to show them the point you are trying to make. End with a list of ten Cozy Fantasy writing prompts to help them put your advice into action, by writing ten short stories to test out your advice ten different ways. 


Crafting Scenes Sans Protagonist: A Descriptive Dilemma aka How do I describe a scene without my main character? or When the narrator is not the MC



ChatGPT's answer:


Dear aspiring writer,

Crafting scenes without your main character can indeed be a challenging but rewarding aspect of storytelling. It requires a delicate balance to maintain narrative cohesion while keeping the reader engaged. Here are some tips to guide you through this descriptive dilemma:

1. Establish a Clear Perspective:
- Decide on a consistent narrative perspective for your story. If you've chosen 3rd person, stick to it, but clarify whether it's limited or omniscient.
- When describing scenes without your MC, maintain the chosen perspective. If your character is not present, describe events as an observer or through the eyes of other characters in the scene.

2. Set the Scene with Detail:
- Use sensory details to immerse the reader in the environment. Reference Maine's unique elements like the cold, snowy, rocky coast, the scent of pine, the crunch of snow beneath boots, or the distant call of seagulls.

3. Invoke Emotions:
- Even without your main character, emotions play a crucial role. Describe the atmosphere, capturing the mood of the scene. Is it tense, serene, or foreboding? Use evocative language to convey emotions.

4. Incorporate Maine-Specific Elements:
- Reference Maine's history or incorporate elements like the polar vortex ice age and undead lobsters. Make the setting itself a character with its own history and challenges.

5. Consider Relationships:
- If characters in the scene are friends with your MC, explore their perspectives. How do they perceive the world? What details would catch their attention? This adds depth and connection to your narrative.

6. Avoid Overthinking:
- While it's essential to be mindful, don't overthink every detail. Let the scene unfold naturally, focusing on what's relevant to the story. Trust your instincts and revise as needed.

7. Maintain Consistency:
- Ensure consistency in tone and style. If your MC's absence is temporary, maintain a narrative thread that connects scenes. If it's a separate storyline, establish a smooth transition.

8. Show, Don't Tell:
- Instead of explicitly stating details, show them through actions, dialogues, and reactions of the characters present. This creates a more immersive experience for the reader.

9. Highlight Maine's Delicacies:
- When mentioning food or drinks, incorporate Maine's specialties. Describe the taste of lobster rolls, clam chowder, or the aroma of gingerbread cake. Use these details to anchor your scenes.

10. Examples:
- For inspiration, read authors who excel in scene-setting without the protagonist, like Cormac McCarthy or J.K. Rowling in certain Harry Potter chapters. Analyze their techniques and adapt them to fit your narrative.

Cozy Fantasy Writing Prompts:

1. Write a scene set in a cozy Maine cottage during a snowstorm, where the protagonist is absent.

2. Describe a bustling Maine market where secondary characters interact, emphasizing the sights, sounds, and scents.

3. Craft a moment by the Maine coastline at sunrise, focusing on the feelings of characters witnessing the beauty.

4. Develop a scene in an abandoned settlement, providing glimpses of Maine's past through remnants of history.

5. Create a dialogue-heavy scene in a Maine pub, showcasing relationships and dynamics without the main character's involvement.

6. Explore a Maine forest at night, incorporating the eerie glow of undead creatures.

7. Write a scene during a Maine festival, capturing the essence of celebration and community.

8. Detail a snowy encounter between two supporting characters, emphasizing the impact of the polar vortex.

9. Craft a scene within a Maine library, using the setting to convey information or lore relevant to the main plot.

10. Develop a moment in a Maine lighthouse during a storm, highlighting the challenges faced by the characters in the absence of the protagonist.

I hope these suggestions and prompts assist you in honing your craft. Best of luck on your writing journey!

Warm regards,

[Your Name]
Bestselling Fantasy Novelist & Writing Mentor

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The Prompt:

Crafting Scenes Sans Protagonist: A Descriptive Dilemma aka How do I describe a scene without my main character? or When the narrator is not the MC

You are a bestselling Fantasy novelist. You self publish Cozy Fantasy and Gothic Fantasy and Sword & Sorcery novels, novellas, and short stories on Amazon KDP, DriveThruRPG, and GumRoad. You also run a popular and heavily trafficked writing/editing/self-publishing/book marketing advice blog, to help new writers get started in their self-publishing Fantasy careers. A new, young writer has come to you seeking advice. They gave you a prompt and have asked you to turn it into a long form blog post. Here is the prompt they gave you:

"

How do I describe a scene without my MC?

Haven’t quite started writing my story yet but I want to keep this in mind for the future ..

I’m planning to have my book in 3rd person. If I want to describe a scene without my main character in it, do I have to be extra careful? I saw a post on here a while back of someone sharing there work for feedback, and the poster got flamed for their bad choice of narrative by not sticking to one character .. would that be the case? What do I need to do to make sure I don’t slip up? Does it depend on if the characters in the scene are friends with the MC or does that not matter? Am i just overthinking everything?

"

Reword, rephrase, flesh out, and expand this idea. Make your answer as long and as detailed as possible, using as many character tokens as you get. Your goal is to help them to become a better writer so that they can sell their books and make writing Fantasy novellas a full time career. Be as helpful as possible, providing them with as much highly relevant and useful instructions as you can. Give them examples to show them the point you are trying to make. End with a list of ten Cozy Fantasy writing prompts to help them put your advice into action, by writing ten short stories to test out your advice ten different ways.

Crafting Scenes Sans Protagonist: A Descriptive Dilemma aka How do I describe a scene without my main character? or When the narrator is not the MC

ChatGPT's answer:


In the enchanting realm of Fantasy writing, the art of crafting scenes without the protagonist demands finesse, subtlety, and an understanding of the narrative landscape. As you embark on your journey into the third-person narrative, fear not the intricacies of portraying scenes where your main character takes a backseat. Let the Maine winds of wisdom guide you through this narrative terrain.

Firstly, consider the perspective from which you narrate. The omnipresent eye of the third person offers a wide-angle lens to capture the panoramic beauty of your story's world. As the narrator, your words should paint vivid landscapes that evoke the essence of Maine's rugged coast, the biting chill of the polar vortex, and the haunting beauty of a fractured moon casting ethereal glow on the snow-covered land.

Let the scene breathe with sensory details. Maine's coastal charm is rife with the scent of salty air, the touch of chilly ocean breezes, and the crunch of snow beneath unseen footsteps. Dive into the textures of the world around, whether it be the soft fur pelts lining the makeshift shelters or the moss-covered rocks lining the desolate shores of Moonsnail Cove.

Don't shy away from incorporating Maine's flora and fauna into your descriptive tapestry. Mention the hardy pine trees standing sentinel in the frozen forests or the resilient pink lady slipper orchids peeking through the snow, adding splashes of color to the otherwise muted landscape.

Consider the soundscape of Maine – the haunting calls of seabirds, the distant crashing of ocean waves, and the eerie silence of a world struggling under the weight of an ice age. These auditory elements become the background music to your scene, setting the tone and enhancing the reader's immersion.

When characters unrelated to the MC take center stage, ensure their actions and interactions align with the broader narrative. If they are friends or foes, let their dynamics unfold naturally, revealing nuances that contribute to the rich tapestry of your post-apocalyptic Frostpunk Dystopia. Maine's history, perhaps a tale of resilience against harsh winters, can be subtly woven into conversations, adding depth to your world.

Now, to address your concerns about potential pitfalls – it's true that maintaining narrative consistency is crucial. The key lies in maintaining a seamless flow, allowing your readers to effortlessly transition between scenes with and without the main character. A well-crafted narrative should feel cohesive, even when the focus shifts.

To illustrate this, let's delve into an example. Picture a desolate stretch of Noodle Beach, the remnants of a once-bustling survivor settlement now buried beneath a blanket of snow. A lone figure, not the protagonist, scours the frozen shoreline for supplies. Describe the abandoned structures, the skeletal frames of buildings, and the haunting echoes of a lost community. Embrace the solitude, the desolation, and the whispered secrets of a place now forgotten.

Now, imagine a scene where the main character's absence is intentional. The caravan, led by undead flying moose pulling Quaraun's vibrantly painted vardo, trundles along the icy coast. Focus on the interactions among the diverse members of this polygamous bisexual family – the laughter of children, the camaraderie of wives, and the shared burdens of survival. The main character's aura is felt through the influence they've left on this makeshift community, even if physically absent.

To alleviate your concerns, a helpful guideline is to establish the narrative thread that ties each scene to the overarching story. Whether the MC is directly involved or not, every scene should contribute to the larger narrative tapestry. It's like crafting a mosaic where each piece, regardless of size or prominence, plays a role in creating the bigger picture.

In conclusion, don't let the intricacies of third-person narration overwhelm you. Embrace the vast canvas that is your narrative, using Maine's unique elements to add depth and authenticity. As you embark on this literary journey, keep these principles in mind:

1. Sensory Detail: Immerse your readers in the sights, sounds, smells, and textures of Maine's frosty landscape.

2. Narrative Consistency: Ensure a seamless flow between scenes, whether the MC is present or not.

3. Character Dynamics: Let the relationships and interactions of characters unfold organically, contributing to the larger story.

4. Maine Elements: Weave in distinctive Maine elements – history, flora, fauna – to enrich your world.

To aid you in practicing these principles, here are ten Cozy Fantasy writing prompts:

1. Explore a bustling post-apocalyptic market on Noodle Beach, alive with the aromas of seafood and the vibrant colors of makeshift stalls.

2. Describe a night in the lighthouse at Moonsnail Cove, focusing on the eerie glow of the fractured moon and the distant calls of undead lobsters.

3. Paint a scene of a snow-covered forest, where the caravan finds a hidden oasis of untouched beauty.

4. Dive into the daily life of a survivor settlement, emphasizing the communal efforts to combat the challenges of the ice age.

5. Craft a moment of solitude for a character, surrounded by the soft rustling of pine trees and the distant crashing of waves.

6. Explore the dynamics within the polygamous family during a meal, highlighting the tastes of Maine's unique cuisine.

7. Detail the construction of a steampunk gadget by GhoulSpawn, using Maine's metalworking history as inspiration.

8. Capture the resilience of pink lady slipper orchids pushing through the snow, symbolizing hope in the harsh environment.

9. Chronicle the journey of the caravan through a dense snowstorm, relying on the guidance of undead flying moose.

10. Create a scene where characters uncover a relic from Maine's past, intertwining history with the present struggle for survival.

May your writing endeavors be as boundless as the Maine horizon, and may your words resonate with the charm of a coastal breeze. Happy writing!

Crafting Scenes Sans Protagonist: A Descriptive Dilemma aka How do I describe a scene without my main character? or When the narrator is not the MC














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This page contains sections written by an LLM AI, specifically OpenAI's ChatGPT 3.5


The sections written by AI are noted and separated with a orange/pink stripe boarder around them.

Sections written by AI has not been fact checked and may contain inaccuracies. They are included for entertainment purposes only. The goal here is to show you what AIs like ChatGPT are capable of doing and as such the AI sections are directly copy/pasted into this page without any edits, changes, or fact checking done, so that you can see what AI output looks like.

The goal of this page is to show you how to write long, detailed command prompts that will get ChatGPT to output less generic and more useful content for you. Please remember, when using AI for your own content that AI is a random generator that guesses what word should logically come next and is NOT actually giving you correct answers to your questions as it has no ability to comprehend word meanings; and as such LLM AIs have a very high rate of fact inaccuracies, often outputting incorrect and inaccurate information at a rate as high as 64% to 73% in 8 times out of every 10 answers, which has been proven by numerous studies.

As of July 2023, there are currently more then 300 LLM AI apps and programs available with varying degrees of outputting informational accuray. As of July 2023, MOST of those has an accuracy rate of only 2% to 3%.

I choose to use ChatGPT for this article, because it has the highest rate of NOT giving inaccurate information, of any AI language model currently available, however it's inaccuracy rate is still higher then 50% inaccurate output more then 50% of the time, HOWEVER, as the June 2023 Stanford and Berkeley studies have shown, ChatGPT is only fully accurate 2.4% of the time, and this 2.4% is the MOST accurate AI rate out there as of July 2023.

The fact that ChatGPT is only 100% accurate 2.4% of the time and it is the MOST accurate of ANY of the AIs currently available, shows how very alarmingly INACCURATE any output from AI is and why you SHOULD NOT be using it for research or anything requiring factual information. Please keep this in mind when using AI programs in your own writing.

If you choose to use LLM AI's such as ChatGPT for your content, please remember that t is NOT a research program, it is NOT a search engine, and 88 times out of 10 it is going to give you as much as 75% inaccurate information. DO NOT use LLM AIs to create your content, unless you plan on doing huge amounts of fact checking and actual research to ensure that the content you publish is accurate.







So, I was over on Reddit, you like I often am, and found this question. And answered it, like I do. However, the answer I initially gave was a simple generic answer. If you want to read my original answer unaltered, simply click on Reddit's embed feature links which Reddit provides for webmasters to be able to post their answers on their websites, while linking back to the original thread on Reddit (if you didn't know Reddit offered and encouraged the use of this feature, look for it in the "share" features underneath every post, comment, and reply on Reddit).

I am answering random questions today about writing, self-publishing, character creation, and world building, over on Reddit and decided to take my answers from there and expand upon them even further over here. So that's what this page is. Me rambling on about various aspects of world building techniques I use when writing the Quaraun series. The questions I am answering are embedded here. Clicking the link in the embedded question will take you to the original Reddit page where you can see the original answer along with other people's answers. If you wish to comment, you can do so on the Reddit page where a place to do so is provided.

In any case, as with all of my Reddit answers found on my site here, my original post on Reddit is much shorter then the article here.







What Is This Site?

I'm an author. This is an author home page. It's about me, my life, my books, my hobbies, my home town, and anything else that applies to me and my life. 

Since starting my writing career in 1978, I have written 130+ novels, 2,000+ short stories, 6,000+ non-fiction articles (ALL are found on this site), a few dozen stage plays, 12,000+ blog posts, and a few comic book scripts for Disney's Uncle Scrooge and Donald Duck (I only worked for Disney one year (in 2005) and only wrote a few stories for their Danish comic books).

NOTE: I ONLY write the Quaraun series (aka The Twighlight Manor series aka The Adventures of Quaraun the Insane). In recent years there has been an issue with impersonators trying to pass books off as written by me, notably several non-fiction and Erotica books. I write neither nonfiction nor Erotica.

ALL of my books and their cover arts are listed on my website here. Beware of any books you find claiming to be me. If the books are NOT listed here on my website, they are NOT my books.

In fiction works, I specialize in Weird/Bizarro Tales set in 40th century CyberPunk-Quasi Medieval, Cozy Dark Fantasy and Science Fiction worlds featuring an intersex Elf and his Faerie husband main characters.  I DO NOT WRITE ANY OTHER SERIES - THIS SERIES IS THE ONLY ONE I WRITE.

Non-fiction (found ONLY here on my site) is daily updates of events in my life, and how-tos on how I write my novels.

I DO NOT write Erotica.

I DO NOT write books with HUMAN characters.

The Erotica books and books with Human characters, that you are finding, are written by scammers trying to impersonate me.

There is an ongoing FBI investigation into this matter. If you find any such books, please report them to FBI Agent Andy Drewer @207–774–9322

The FBI believes the people behind the impersonation accounts showing up, are relatives of the woman who murdered my son.

People always ask why I have a video recorder running 24/7. Watch these 4 videos of The Scarborough Walmart.


 I have a video recorder running 24/7. Because this parking lot is where I was attacked a second time by the woman who crippled me with the golf club at Southern Maine Community College in 2013 (who also murdered my 8-month-old son at the same time) this is the location of her 2nd attack,  the July 2016 attack with a shopping cart, the attack that left me in a wheelchair and despite over 200 "security cameras" and signs saying there are cameras in use... the police did not find even ONE actual REAL camera. Every "security camera" on this building and parking lot was ALL fake "dummy cameras" and that is why there is no video footage of my son's murderer. 

I started carrying a camera 24/7 the very next day after Scarborough police informed me they could not identify the blonde woman who attacked me or her gold Volvo 240GL station wagon, because EVERY CAMERA at this store's parking lot was an empty case with no real camera inside it. My son would be 12 years old this Christmas 2025, and his murderer walks free, still unidentified because this parking lot did not have real cameras. 

Those things that look like cameras on the building and light poles, are fake, according to the Scarborough Police Department. That is why I have a camera running 24/7, because my son's killer walks free because there was no camera the day we were attacked.


While you are here, please take the time to read this:

Who is Tod Murphy? 

Do you know who this woman is? She might be the woman who murdered my son. 

146 Portland Ave, Old Orchard Beach, Maine, is NOT FOR SALE.

And I'm sick of real estate agents who are too incompetent to research land ownership before they show up to stick a for sale sign in my yard.

The fact of the matter is, my son was murdered in 2013, and the friends and family of the murderer think it is funny to keep ILLEGALLY listing my land for sale, because apparently their child murdering bitch friend didn't hurt me enough by crippling me with a golf club, ripping my baby out of my 8 month pregnant belly and beating his brains out on the ground with a golf club.

Also, her friends and family like to gaslight me by doxing me on ufo and alien abduction forums, while pretending to be me, and trying to make it look like I believe in ufos or aliens, even though I think people who believe in ufos are raving lunatics and people who claim to be alien abductees are crazy. 

Worse, they've also taken to harassing my WW2 vet homeless friend, by calling HIM an alien, demon, or cryptid and sending alien crazy ufo nutjobs at try to "catch him".

So, yeah, my son was murdered and the murder's friends and family endlessly harass me, my friends, and my family both online and offline, and I'm not happy with it at all.

There is an ongoing FBI investigation into this matter.

The FBI is looking for information into:

  1. identifying my son's murderer, 
  2. identifying the scammers who listed my land for sale, 
  3. identifying the impersonators who pretend to be me both online and offline, 
  4. the harassers who are harassing the homeless man and sending the UFO nuts to harass him... 
  • If ANYONE tells you 146 Portland Ave Old Orchard Beach, Maine is for sale:, please report them to FBI Agent Andy Drewer @207–774–9322
  • If ANYONE tells you I believe in aliens, demons, or UFOS, please report them to FBI Agent Andy Drewer @207–774–9322
  • If ANYONE tells you my homeless friend is an alien, a demon, a cryptid, or named Etiole for sale:, please report them to FBI Agent Andy Drewer @207–774–9322


I'm going to repeat it because I'm tired of people showing up and making offers:

146 Portland Ave, Old Orchard Beach, Maine, is NOT FOR SALE.

There is NO ONE who has authorization to use my land.

NO ONE.

Not my mother.

Not my father.

Not Ben.

Not my mother’s Atwater relatives.

No one.

If ANY ONE hires you to do ANYTHING on my land, know that you are doing it ILLEGALLY and WITHOUT my knowledge or permission.

My mother has ZERO legal right to hire you to do anything at 146 Portland Ave. Old Orchard Beach, Maine.

My father has ZERO legal right to hire you to do anything at 146 Portland Ave. Old Orchard Beach, Maine.

Ben has ZERO legal right to hire you to do anything at 146 Portland Ave. Old Orchard Beach, Maine.

My mother’s Atwater relatives have ZERO legal right to hire you to do anything at 146 Portland Ave. Old Orchard Beach, Maine.




While you are here, please take the time to read this:

Who is Tod Murphy? 

Do you know who this woman is? She might be the woman who murdered my son. 




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